Milos, I read the points you are making in your initial post, and I cannot
tell what actions you are seeking.  I am not even really clear on what the
problem is that you are "reporting".  The best I can make of it is that you
don't think there are enough articles in the Wikipedias of the languages of
the Indian subcontinent, and that somehow it is the WMF's fault.


On 28 June 2016 at 11:51, Milos Rancic <> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Anders Wennersten
> <> wrote:
> > I have been active in FDC and followed closely all applicants. It works
> very
> > well when it comes to promote small affiliates to grow in a controlled
> way
> > and ensuring that money is spent wisely. The FDC, though, demand an
> > elaborate plan, and application, which can be (too) hard as a first step
> if
> > you still is an volunteer driven organisation.  So  since a year the
> Simple
> > annual plan grant now exist, and I have been part in this and its seven
> > applicants that has been through that process. And it works wonderfully
> even
> > if there has been quite complicated issues in the application. The
> > application formality is much easier and the applicant gets hands-on
> help by
> > both WMF staff and also by a peer from an existing affiliate. And the
> > feedback we have received has been very very positive, specially the
> support
> > from peers. And for you Milos who was in ChapCom at the same time as me
> in
> > 2008, you should rejoice as much as me that now also Brazil is on track,
> so
> > the "complicated" affiliates in 2008, Catala, Brazil an US, are now all
> on
> > track.
> >
> > So we now have process in place that really help and support small
> groups of
> > enthusiastic Wikimedians to grow in a controlled way becoming well
> > functioning chapters. We have also since 2008 learnt, from experiences
> from
> > Brazil and India, that to try by "outsiders" to get  a local
> organisation in
> > place that will grow in a good way, just has not worked. These
> experiments
> > just hindered (and delayed) natural good establishment.
> >
> > So my learning is that it is counter productive to try as an outsider to
> get
> > something happen. We have to await until groups of clever Wikimedians in
> > India with the right ambition etc are ready to enter applications to
> either
> > of the grant programs, and then there are mechanisms in place to help
> them
> > evolve
> Anders, we've been asked for help at least twice that I know, as I can
> witness for those two times. The first time I thought it will be
> solved, but it hasn't been solved after two years. Plus, a couple of
> previous years of getting informal complaints in relation to the WMF's
> behavior in India.
> The *problem* is that WMF is actually participating in keeping the
> mess in perpetual state. And it's not about bad intentions, but about
> incompetence. So, let's start solving *our* problem with India, not
> *Indian* problem with us.
> --
> Milos
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