I suggest that we just drop the Trump tangent from the discussion, as it is a distraction.
Newyorkbrad On 6/28/16, Milos Rancic <[email protected]> wrote: > Moving this issue out of the thread about India, as it doesn't belong to it. > > It seems that my explanation of explanation was not quite useful. Just > the last paragraph was a satire and I've got complaint that > satirically playing with the racist stereotypes could seem racist. > That was the target of the explanation of explanation. > > However, your question that it's still not clear to you why I am > talking about Trump supporters is much more important. > > If we tend to be an inclusive movement, we should do our best to > include people from as much of society as we are able to do. > > The first and the most obvious problem in Wikimedia community was > striking lack of women. And, for a long time we have the programs > which promote inclusion of women in our movement. > > Then we have the issue of minorities. Depending on the country, those > processes started sooner or later. > > However, as we articulated Wikimedia movement as a progressive one, we > are slowly but surely losing large portions of our societies. > > The metaphor for that portion is "a Trump voter", but those people > exist in every society. They do not vote for Trump; they could be even > a progressive force in their society; but, as with Trump supporter, > they've been ostracized from the dominant part of the society as less > worthy. > > I've said those parts of the societies are our new underrepresented > groups. In United States it's about middle class people scared of > those who are socially in worse (immigrants) and better position > (among others, us) than themselves, voting for Trump. In Austria, it's > about working class people scared of those in worse and better > position than themselves, voting for FPO. And so on. > > And if you are asking me why we should take care about their > incorporation, I will tell you that I was getting quite similar > questions when I raised the problem of lack of participation of women > in Wikimedia movement. It's the wider social role of our movement. > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Peter Southwood > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Still not clear. Why? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Milos Rancic >> Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2016 1:28 PM >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India >> >> On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos Rancic" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> (Hint for American >>> Wikimedians: Trump supporters are your next target for positive >>> discrimination.) >> >> It seems I have to clarify this sentence. >> >> I didn't say Trump, I didn't say Cruz, I didn't say Cruz supporters, I >> said Trump supporters. >> >> I have in mind very specific population, genuinely scared by the >> privileged Mexican illegal immigrants, working lazy for the American >> agricultural industry for $5/h or less and supported by Bay Area hipsters >> and Jewish lobby. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12507 - Release Date: 06/28/16 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > Milos > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
