My last mail for today, so Anne, just to say that I really appreciate what you've done, but I'll comment in a bit more detail tomorrow.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'll leave the "defensive" bit aside, and just reiterate that I *still* do > not understand exactly what problem you're trying to focus discussion on. > In the piece of text Asaf quoted, you used the words "it" and "reports." I > don't know what you intend by those words. Maybe for some reason you feel > it's Asaf's job to clarify that for the rest of the list's readers; maybe > so. I don't have more to contribute on this point. The background goes this way... I've been approached privately two years ago about the issues that bother significant part of Indian Wikimedian community. As I think that's in the range of quite solvable issues, my instinct was to talk with the relevant people inside of the Wikimedia movement (not just WMF). I thought it's been solved and I forgot for that. However, two years later I am listening about the same problems. So, I am pissed off enough to start talking about that on this list. However, if I say everything I know, I would for sure harm a number of people. And I am not willing to do that no matter how pissed off or drunk I am. The situation is not good, but far from being any kind of catastrophe. But I want to see the problem solved. So, I am giving quite enough of information about the problems (cf. my first email, then my response to Risker) and expect the beginning of communication. The responses are telling me what's safe to talk about and what's not. I also expect to be convinced that the most of Indian Wikimedians will be content at the end of this process. So, the research is very good thing and I am again positively surprised by the attitude of WMF. However, that's not enough. I also want to say that what I said in my first email and in my response to Risker is the core of the problem. Many particular issues are not useful (and could be harmful). I understand that many people on this list don't realize how those issues are important, but they *are* vitally important to the Indian part of our movement. In other words, although I am not disclosing all of information I have, mostly to protect privacy of some people, I am not cryptic at all. It is just a matter of what's perceived as important to a Western and what to an Indian Wikimedian. -- Milos _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>