Excellent example Chris, thanks for taking the time to write that up. I agree it would have had at least as much positive effect, and also substantially less negative effect, than the original post.
One person's opinion might be especially worth considering: I wonder whether the person whose name has been used as a subject line on a public email list is pleased or displeased by the way it was brought up. I have not talked to Rosie about this, but Gerard, it might be worthwhile for you to ask her. -Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chris "Jethro" Schilling < [email protected]> wrote: > Gerard, > > Please don't fall back on the "ends justify the means" argument here. > There were many, many other ways to call attention to this problem. You > chose a way that was needlessly aggressive and accusatory. You didn't have > to. Here is how I would have done it with only minor changes to what you > wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one > of > them and the data at Wikidata are somewhat lacking, and I think we can work > together to put them in better shape given the recognition they received. > The > article is a one liner stub, and the Wikidata item had no statements > and I added > the few that were minimally needed. > > I've gotten started by adding some material, but any help would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jethro > > PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they > get > some proper attention. > > > The results would have been the same, and perhaps you would have even > gotten more engagement and better content from folks watching this list. > > - Jethro > > > Chris "Jethro" Schilling > I JethroBT (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)> > Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation > <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home> > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > [email protected] > > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Maybe but both the article and the data have improved considerably. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 30 June 2016 at 15:37, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I agree with Ziko. > > > > > > Gerard, please believe us, even if you don't perceive it yourself, that > > > your aggressive language, however well-intentioned, is > counterproductive, > > > and is keeping others from engaging with you, or even engaging on the > > list > > > in general. > > > > > > A. > > > On Jun 30, 2016 4:22 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > Yes that is incorrect. There is a Wikipedia article, it is one line > > and I > > > > have the distinct feeling that it is incorrect. > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > On 30 June 2016 at 13:07, Joseph Fox <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the > > > > Wikimedia > > > > > Blog. Is that incorrect? > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The > > > article > > > > > > states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why > she > > > > > became a > > > > > > Wikipedian of the year. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at > > > > doing a > > > > > > good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that > > can > > > > be > > > > > > added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a > > > > > Wikipedian > > > > > > of the year. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more > > > > action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Erik Zachte > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto: > > [email protected]] > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 > > > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The > > article > > > > for > > > > > > one > > > > > > > of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no > > > statements > > > > > and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > added the few that were minimally needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > obviously notable. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome > it > > > when > > > > > > they > > > > > > > get some proper attention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosie.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
