Considering how horrible on-wiki dispute resolution can currently be for
all involved, I'm OK with keeping this in private here.

Adrian Raddatz

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the input, folks.
>
> So, it looks as though there's a preference for keeping it off-list, at
> least until a moderation decision is made, and possibly thereafter too.  I
> shall proceed in that way.
>
> For the record, following Dariusz's remark, I will point out that that is
> *not* how we do it on-wiki; on-wiki, all negotiations of users' behavior is
> done publicly and on the record (albeit with usernames rather than the real
> names most of us use here).
>
> Cheers,
>
>    A.
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>
> wrote:
>
> > As a reader I would also appreciate it to happen in private. I trust the
> > admins to make a sane decision, and if things go berzerk and they make a
> > string of bad decisions, I trust it'll come up on the list then.
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2016-07-26 16:28 GMT+02:00 Richard Symonds <
> > richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
> > >:
> >
> > > Generally, it is better to discuss it privately with the list admins.
> > This
> > > prevents the worst side of mailing lists: a one-sided dogpile on an
> > > individual, who, disruptive or not, should get a fair hearing by the
> > > person(s) whose job it is to moderate.
> > >
> > > Richard Symonds
> > > Wikimedia UK
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> > >
> > > On 26 July 2016 at 15:14, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilll...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was on a very active music mailing list for over 10 years and I
> was
> > > > > grateful it was not moderated. Moderation can inhibit discussion,
> > even
> > > > when
> > > > > there are disruptors, and it also requires moderators donate a lot
> of
> > > > > volunteer hours. Which I think within the Wikimedia family
> community
> > is
> > > > > already being required of many of us. So I would vote against
> > > moderation.
> > > > >
> > > > > If an argument / shift was towards moderation, maybe it could be
> > based
> > > on
> > > > > edit count and/or contributions? But that seems a bit extreme and
> > > awful.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Erika
> > > > >
> > > > > *Erika Herzog*
> > > > > Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle
> > > > >*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We need moderators to manage spam if for no other reason, and it has
> > been
> > > > helpful in many cases in the 8-9 years I have been subscribed to this
> > > list
> > > > to inhibit disruption and encourage civil exchange. We also have a
> > "soft
> > > > limit" of 30 posts per month that has rarely needed to be enforced
> but
> > is
> > > > still technically on the books.
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