Yes common sense, one would hope, would generally suffices. But when common
sense is questioned it is also nice to have something more concrete to
point to.

James

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 4:06 AM, Adrian Raddatz <ajradd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I quite like the Phabricator guidelines. Can't those just be replicated to
> apply to all technical spaces? No more years of debate needed, or new
> arbcoms, or strange statements of principles, or exhaustive lists of
> inappropriate behaviour.
>
> Adrian Raddatz
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > +1
> > P
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Chris Koerner
> > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016 5:52 PM
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of
> > Conduct (TCC)
> >
> > I'm speaking as a volunteer, not as WMF staff, if that matters to you.
> >
> > Adrian Raddatz wrote:
> > > It should be pretty darn easy to make a policy on user interactions
> > > within technical spaces. There is certainly a practice which is
> > > already followed, so just codify it and call it a guideline or a
> > > generally accepted
> > document.
> > > I would certainly support a page that people can read to find our
> > > expectations for interactions, and what happens if you're naughty.
> >
> > That's what a Code of Conduct is. :)
> >
> > It would be wonderful if it were as easy as you describe, but it hasn't
> > proven to be.
> >
> > It's taking longer because the WMF/Board did not initially take the
> > approach of applying this 'top-down' style to the technical spaces.Those
> of
> > us who have been involved (some, like myself before we became staff) want
> > to do it with community involvement and with thoughtful discussion. Are
> we
> > going to get it right the first time around? No, maybe not. Are we trying
> > to design something with thoughtfulness and flexibility? Yes.
> >
> > MZMcBride wrote:
> > > And if we disregard any application of common sense, then yes, you
> > > could argue that a technical code of conduct is needed.
> >
> > One could also argue that a disregard for common sense is exactly what
> > permits individuals to violate our shared expectations of community
> > behavior.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Chris Koerner
> > clkoerner.com
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