Denny

Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our high-level
roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data in Commons
project.  Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons was in our product
roadmap" I was referring to the product roadmap on which the Structured
Data in Commons project is included -- that is, I was asking for a pointer
to the roadmap for "features both on the Wikidata development roadmap, and
in other products supported by the Wikimedia Foundation" referred to in Wes
Moran's initial post on this topic:

But I appreciate the speed of your reply.

"Rogol"

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Rogol,
>
> this was the link previously provided on this project:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview
> including
> links to previous documents.
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Lisa
> >
> > You say that "Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so
> > this grant is not diverting our attention.  The grant simply enables us
> to
> > accelerate the work we were planning to do".  Please would you publish,
> or
> > point to, a version of that product roadmap that can inform the
> community's
> > participation in such planning exercises as the 2017 Wikimedia Movement
> > Strategy and other more tactical product planning processes.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lisa Gruwell <lgruw...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Pete and Gerard-
> > >
> > > I just wanted to give my thoughts on restricted gifts.  Like most
> things,
> > > there are both good and bad restricted gifts.  They can be bad if a
> > funder
> > > is making a well-intentioned gift that none-the-less pulls the
> > organization
> > > in direction that they were not planning to go.  Or even worse, when a
> > > funder pays for something outside of an org's plans that has ongoing
> > > maintenance cost that are not covered in the grant.
> > >
> > > This is why the WMF board reviews all restricted grants per our gift
> > policy
> > > <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Gift_policy>.  Those are the
> types
> > > of
> > > dynamics that the board considers when they review a restricted grant.
> > >
> > > Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so this grant is
> > not
> > > diverting our attention.  The grant simply enables us to accelerate the
> > > work we were planning to do.  In terms of restrictions, we have to
> follow
> > > through with the plan we submitted.  In other words, do what we said we
> > are
> > > going to do.  I think that accountability is a good thing.  And the
> Sloan
> > > Foundation is a great long-term funder of WMF.  If something changes as
> > the
> > > work progress, I have no doubt we could have a reasonable conversation
> > with
> > > them about adjusting the plan.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > Maybe restricted but the subject matter is exactly what we want
> anyway.
> > > > Where I have my reservations is that Wikidata will be set in stone
> and
> > > > stuff that just is not right will be with us for forever. With more
> > money
> > > > it does not need to be a huge problem because it makes it more
> > > manageable.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >       GerardM
> > > >
> > > > On 9 January 2017 at 21:52, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Structured data on Commons is a huge and important area -- for one
> > > thing,
> > > > > the whole Media Viewer project would have gone much more smoothly
> if
> > > > there
> > > > > were underlying structured data to rely on. Kudos to WMF and Sloan
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > focus on this issue!
> > > > >
> > > > > If I'm not mistaken, this is by far the most extravagant restricted
> > > grant
> > > > > in the history of the WMF. I believe the Stanton Foundation's
> > usability
> > > > > grant ($890k in 2008)[1] and Public Policy Initiative grant ($1.2
> > > million
> > > > > in 2010)[2] are the only ones that comes close. In the past, WMF
> > board
> > > > > members have expressed great skepticism about -- specifically --
> the
> > > > Sloan
> > > > > Foundation's influence, when it sought to place an observer in WMF
> > > board
> > > > > meetings. A former WMF Executive Director has written at length
> about
> > > the
> > > > > dangers of restricted grants.
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears there is a new theory in play around restricted grants.
> > Will
> > > > > somebody be expressing it publicly? Will the past practice of
> > > publishing
> > > > > the details of the grant expectations be followed?[3]
> > > > >
> > > > > -Pete
> > > > > --
> > > > > [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2008/12/03/improved-usability-
> > > > > in-our-future/
> > > > > [2]
> > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/May_
> > > > > 2010_Wikimedia_Foundation_will_engage_academic_experts_
> > > > > and_students_to_improve_public_policy_information
> > > > > [3]
> > > > > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_
> > > > > Initiative_project_details
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Wes Moran <wmo...@wikimedia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Wikimedia community,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s our delight to inform you that we received a US$3,015,000
> > grant
> > > > from
> > > > > > the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation
> > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation> [1]
> to
> > > > > expedite
> > > > > > development of structured data on Commons. The grant will be
> given
> > > over
> > > > > the
> > > > > > course of three years, and will allow us to develop a team, in
> > > > > > collaboration with the Wikidata team at Wikimedia Deutschland,
> that
> > > can
> > > > > > focus on integrating the structured data features of Wikidata
> into
> > > > > > describing the media files on Commons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This work will allow us to expedite features both on the Wikidata
> > > > > > development roadmap, and in other products supported by the
> > Wikimedia
> > > > > > Foundation. The grant also provides funding to ensure that
> movement
> > > > > > stakeholders, like Wiki Loves Monuments and GLAM-Wiki program
> > > leaders,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > external partners who contribute heavily to Commons, such as
> GLAMs,
> > > can
> > > > > be
> > > > > > involved in the development.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We have drafted a high level overview of the grant and its scope,
> > > > > available
> > > > > > on Commons
> > > > > > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_
> > > > data/Sloan_Grant>
> > > > > > [2]. A blog post about the grant is also available on the
> Wikimedia
> > > > blog
> > > > > > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/09/sloan-foundation-
> > > > structured-data>
> > > > > > [3].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are currently in the process of identifying the technical lead
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > project. If you have questions, Alex Stinson, the Foundation’s
> > > > GLAM-Wiki
> > > > > > strategist, will be leading the community engagement and
> > > communications
> > > > > for
> > > > > > the project until we hire a community liaison as part of the
> grant.
> > > > Stay
> > > > > > tuned for more details about the project in the coming months.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We’re excited to be able to support this project, and look
> forward
> > to
> > > > > your
> > > > > > participation in its development.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wes Moran and Maggie Dennis
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Wes Moran, Vice President of Product*
> > > > > > *Maggie Dennis, Interim Chief of Community Engagement *
> > > > > > *Wikimedia Foundation*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation
> > > > > > [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/
> > > > > Sloan_Grant
> > > > > > [3] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/09/sloan-foundation-
> > > > > structured-data
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