https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development
Of any use? Seddon On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Wes > > Thank you for yet another prompt response. It seems almost churlish to say > that unfortunately that is not what I have been asking for -- I must be > very bad at expressing myself to have given so many different people so > many different mistaken impressions of my request. To me a product roadmap > would be a quite high-level view of the new products and major deveopments > and their linkages looking out on a time scale significantly in excess of a > single year, and at a level of detail significantly less than the > aggregation of all the teams' quarterly plans. The roadmap would have the > level of abstraction, interconnection and timscale that allows you to say > that a three-year project such as the one you have just announced will > expedite features on your roadmap and that the grant enabled accelerating > the already started work on Structured Commons into a quicker three-year > time frame: so a roadmap on which you can locate a project with a time > frame that was previously beyond three years let alone one. It is also > known that there are long-term projects such as parser unification, new > editors and discussion systems which look out well beyond the current > year. Are there others -- we do not (yet) know. > > So again, my request is that you share this higher-level, longer-term, if > not completely definitve roadmap with the community in the interests of > transparency not only as an abstract objective but in order to maximise > the benefits of early engagement, discussion and co-creation. > > Yours > "Rogol" > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Wes Moran <wmo...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > Hello Rogol, > > > > Thanks for the question. The Annual Plan we follow and share with the > > community for review before we begin our work is available on Meta [1]. > We > > update specific plans on a quarterly basis on our goals pages [2] as they > > may evolve over the year. We also provide a number of links for the > > specific teams on our Product page and welcome participation, discussion > or > > connection through those pathways and directly with the feature teams > [3]. > > > > Specifically the Wikidata, Community Tech, Editing and Discovery teams > have > > specific objectives and goals in this years annual plan. > > > > Hope this answers your question and certainly engage in the ongoing > > discussion around the work on the Commons page [4]. > > > > Thanks, > > Wes > > > > Wes Moran > > Vice President of Product > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > [1] > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > > Annual_Plan/2016-2017/Final#Product > > [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2016-17_Goals > > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product > > [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Rogol Domedonfors < > domedonf...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks to both Lydia and Denny for these further replies. I assume > that > > > the WMF has a clear stable and unified view of where it is taking its > > > various products and the dependencies, which is what I understand by > the > > > phrase product roadmap. "A single document" would be nice, but > whatever > > it > > > is, I am asking for it to be shared with the community. > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Rogol, > > > > > > > > that is why I pointed you to the links in that document, which go all > > the > > > > way back to 2004 discussions of such a project, and further > discussions > > > > over the years. These pretty much establish for me that this item has > > > been > > > > a topic for commons for more than a decade now. But it seems I am > > > > misunderstanding you, and you are not looking for a documentation of > > the > > > > shared understanding of the roadmap for Commons and other Wikimedia > > > > products, but for a singular Foundation-written document that fixes > the > > > > Wikimedia product roadmap over several years instead? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rogol Domedonfors < > > > domedonf...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our > > high-level > > > > > roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data in > > > > Commons > > > > > project. Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons was in our > > > product > > > > > roadmap" I was referring to the product roadmap on which the > > Structured > > > > > Data in Commons project is included -- that is, I was asking for a > > > > pointer > > > > > to the roadmap for "features both on the Wikidata development > > roadmap, > > > > and > > > > > in other products supported by the Wikimedia Foundation" referred > to > > in > > > > Wes > > > > > Moran's initial post on this topic: > > > > > > > > > > But I appreciate the speed of your reply. > > > > > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Denny Vrandečić < > > vrande...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rogol, > > > > > > > > > > > > this was the link previously provided on this project: > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/ > > Overview > > > > > > including > > > > > > links to previous documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:32 AM Rogol Domedonfors < > > > > domedonf...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say that "Structured Data on Commons was in our product > > > roadmap, > > > > so > > > > > > > this grant is not diverting our attention. The grant simply > > > enables > > > > us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > accelerate the work we were planning to do". Please would you > > > > publish, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > point to, a version of that product roadmap that can inform the > > > > > > community's > > > > > > > participation in such planning exercises as the 2017 Wikimedia > > > > Movement > > > > > > > Strategy and other more tactical product planning processes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Lisa Gruwell < > > > > lgruw...@wikimedia.org> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete and Gerard- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to give my thoughts on restricted gifts. Like > > most > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > there are both good and bad restricted gifts. They can be > bad > > > if a > > > > > > > funder > > > > > > > > is making a well-intentioned gift that none-the-less pulls > the > > > > > > > organization > > > > > > > > in direction that they were not planning to go. Or even > worse, > > > > when > > > > > a > > > > > > > > funder pays for something outside of an org's plans that has > > > > ongoing > > > > > > > > maintenance cost that are not covered in the grant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why the WMF board reviews all restricted grants per > our > > > > gift > > > > > > > policy > > > > > > > > <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Gift_policy>. Those > are > > > the > > > > > > types > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > dynamics that the board considers when they review a > restricted > > > > > grant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Structured Data on Commons was in our product roadmap, so > this > > > > grant > > > > > is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > diverting our attention. The grant simply enables us to > > > accelerate > > > > > the > > > > > > > > work we were planning to do. In terms of restrictions, we > have > > > to > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > through with the plan we submitted. In other words, do what > we > > > > said > > > > > we > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > going to do. I think that accountability is a good thing. > And > > > the > > > > > > Sloan > > > > > > > > Foundation is a great long-term funder of WMF. If something > > > > changes > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > work progress, I have no doubt we could have a reasonable > > > > > conversation > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > them about adjusting the plan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > > > > > > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > Maybe restricted but the subject matter is exactly what we > > want > > > > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > Where I have my reservations is that Wikidata will be set > in > > > > stone > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > stuff that just is not right will be with us for forever. > > With > > > > more > > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > > it does not need to be a huge problem because it makes it > > more > > > > > > > > manageable. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9 January 2017 at 21:52, Pete Forsyth < > > > petefors...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Structured data on Commons is a huge and important area > -- > > > for > > > > > one > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > > the whole Media Viewer project would have gone much more > > > > smoothly > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > were underlying structured data to rely on. Kudos to WMF > > and > > > > > Sloan > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > focus on this issue! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, this is by far the most extravagant > > > > > restricted > > > > > > > > grant > > > > > > > > > > in the history of the WMF. I believe the Stanton > > Foundation's > > > > > > > usability > > > > > > > > > > grant ($890k in 2008)[1] and Public Policy Initiative > grant > > > > ($1.2 > > > > > > > > million > > > > > > > > > > in 2010)[2] are the only ones that comes close. In the > > past, > > > > WMF > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > members have expressed great skepticism about -- > > specifically > > > > -- > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Sloan > > > > > > > > > > Foundation's influence, when it sought to place an > observer > > > in > > > > > WMF > > > > > > > > board > > > > > > > > > > meetings. A former WMF Executive Director has written at > > > length > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > dangers of restricted grants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears there is a new theory in play around > restricted > > > > > grants. > > > > > > > Will > > > > > > > > > > somebody be expressing it publicly? Will the past > practice > > of > > > > > > > > publishing > > > > > > > > > > the details of the grant expectations be followed?[3] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Pete > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > [[User:Peteforsyth]] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/ > > > 2008/12/03/improved-usability- > > > > > > > > > > in-our-future/ > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/May_ > > > > > > > > > > 2010_Wikimedia_Foundation_will_engage_academic_experts_ > > > > > > > > > > and_students_to_improve_public_policy_information > > > > > > > > > > [3] > > > > > > > > > > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_ > > > > > > > > > > Initiative_project_details > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Wes Moran < > > > > wmo...@wikimedia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Wikimedia community, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s our delight to inform you that we received a > > > > US$3,015,000 > > > > > > > grant > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation > > > > > > > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_ > > Foundation> > > > > [1] > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > expedite > > > > > > > > > > > development of structured data on Commons. The grant > will > > > be > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > course of three years, and will allow us to develop a > > team, > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > collaboration with the Wikidata team at Wikimedia > > > > Deutschland, > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > focus on integrating the structured data features of > > > Wikidata > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > describing the media files on Commons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This work will allow us to expedite features both on > the > > > > > Wikidata > > > > > > > > > > > development roadmap, and in other products supported by > > the > > > > > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > > > > > > Foundation. The grant also provides funding to ensure > > that > > > > > > movement > > > > > > > > > > > stakeholders, like Wiki Loves Monuments and GLAM-Wiki > > > program > > > > > > > > leaders, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > external partners who contribute heavily to Commons, > such > > > as > > > > > > GLAMs, > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > involved in the development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have drafted a high level overview of the grant and > > its > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > available > > > > > > > > > > > on Commons > > > > > > > > > > > <https://commons.wikimedia. > org/wiki/Commons:Structured_ > > > > > > > > > data/Sloan_Grant> > > > > > > > > > > > [2]. A blog post about the grant is also available on > the > > > > > > Wikimedia > > > > > > > > > blog > > > > > > > > > > > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/ > 2017/01/09/sloan-foundation- > > > > > > > > > structured-data> > > > > > > > > > > > [3]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are currently in the process of identifying the > > > technical > > > > > lead > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > project. If you have questions, Alex Stinson, the > > > > Foundation’s > > > > > > > > > GLAM-Wiki > > > > > > > > > > > strategist, will be leading the community engagement > and > > > > > > > > communications > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > the project until we hire a community liaison as part > of > > > the > > > > > > grant. > > > > > > > > > Stay > > > > > > > > > > > tuned for more details about the project in the coming > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We’re excited to be able to support this project, and > > look > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > participation in its development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes Moran and Maggie Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Wes Moran, Vice President of Product* > > > > > > > > > > > *Maggie Dennis, Interim Chief of Community Engagement * > > > > > > > > > > > *Wikimedia 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