Rupert, A Happy New Year to you too. I don't see why my personal motivation for asking this question would come into it. The request is to publish the overall product roadmap to the community, for the community to collaborate with the WMF on planning the future products. That does not sound to me like any kind of complaint about past actions – why would you assume that?
In answer to Joseph's posting: this response was about current planning for the one product, while my request is about medium-to-long term planning for the whole product range. "Rogol" On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:47 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> wrote: > Rogol, a good start into 2017! I have difficulties understanding your > question, especially why you are asking it now. This topic was discussed > quite often and for a long time to justify putting money behind talking at > least imo. > > you are unhappy a restricted grant was received without community consensus > on commons to have such a technology included? Or you are unhappy that WMF > builds up a Wikidata team when wikimedia Deutschland has already one? You > are unhappy that WMF cuts the money for WMDE and at the same time increases > spending in the same area of technology? Or you are unhappy that there will > be another technical lead while at WMDE there is a lot of experience which > you consider waste and unnecessary bureaucracy? Or you want to discuss how > it will be implemented? Or, to put it in other words, what input would you > give or expect if a document like you are requesting would exist? > > Best Rupert > > > > On Jan 10, 2017 11:28 PM, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Dear Wes > > Thank you for yet another prompt response. It seems almost churlish to say > that unfortunately that is not what I have been asking for -- I must be > very bad at expressing myself to have given so many different people so > many different mistaken impressions of my request. To me a product roadmap > would be a quite high-level view of the new products and major deveopments > and their linkages looking out on a time scale significantly in excess of a > single year, and at a level of detail significantly less than the > aggregation of all the teams' quarterly plans. The roadmap would have the > level of abstraction, interconnection and timscale that allows you to say > that a three-year project such as the one you have just announced will > expedite features on your roadmap and that the grant enabled accelerating > the already started work on Structured Commons into a quicker three-year > time frame: so a roadmap on which you can locate a project with a time > frame that was previously beyond three years let alone one. It is also > known that there are long-term projects such as parser unification, new > editors and discussion systems which look out well beyond the current > year. Are there others -- we do not (yet) know. > > So again, my request is that you share this higher-level, longer-term, if > not completely definitve roadmap with the community in the interests of > transparency not only as an abstract objective but in order to maximise > the benefits of early engagement, discussion and co-creation. > > Yours > "Rogol" > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Wes Moran <wmo...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > Hello Rogol, > > > > Thanks for the question. The Annual Plan we follow and share with the > > community for review before we begin our work is available on Meta . > We > > update specific plans on a quarterly basis on our goals pages  as they > > may evolve over the year. We also provide a number of links for the > > specific teams on our Product page and welcome participation, discussion > or > > connection through those pathways and directly with the feature teams > . > > > > Specifically the Wikidata, Community Tech, Editing and Discovery teams > have > > specific objectives and goals in this years annual plan. > > > > Hope this answers your question and certainly engage in the ongoing > > discussion around the work on the Commons page . > > > > Thanks, > > Wes > > > > Wes Moran > > Vice President of Product > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > >  > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > > Annual_Plan/2016-2017/Final#Product > >  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2016-17_Goals > >  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Product > >  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Rogol Domedonfors < > domedonf...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks to both Lydia and Denny for these further replies. I assume > that > > > the WMF has a clear stable and unified view of where it is taking its > > > various products and the dependencies, which is what I understand by > the > > > phrase product roadmap. "A single document" would be nice, but > whatever > > it > > > is, I am asking for it to be shared with the community. > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Rogol, > > > > > > > > that is why I pointed you to the links in that document, which go all > > the > > > > way back to 2004 discussions of such a project, and further > discussions > > > > over the years. These pretty much establish for me that this item has > > > been > > > > a topic for commons for more than a decade now. But it seems I am > > > > misunderstanding you, and you are not looking for a documentation of > > the > > > > shared understanding of the roadmap for Commons and other Wikimedia > > > > products, but for a singular Foundation-written document that fixes > the > > > > Wikimedia product roadmap over several years instead? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM Rogol Domedonfors < > > > domedonf...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > Thank you but the link you provide appears to be to be "Our > > high-level > > > > > roadmap for developing the project", namely the Structured Data in > > > > Commons > > > > > project. Since Lisa wrote "Structured Data on Commons was in our > > > product > > > > > roadmap" I was referring to the product roadmap on which the > > Structured > > > > > Data in Commons project is included -- that is, I was asking for a > > > > pointer > > > > > to the roadmap for "features both on the Wikidata development > > roadmap, > > > > and > > > > > in other products supported by the Wikimedia Foundation" referred > to > > in > > > > Wes > > > > > Moran's initial post on this topic: > > > > > > > > > > But I appreciate the speed of your reply. > > > > > > > > > > "Rogol" > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Denny Vrandečić < > > vrande...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rogol, > > > > > > > > > > > > this was the link previously provided on this project: > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/ > > Overview > > > > > > including > > > > > > links to previous documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>