Well, I don't think the WMF staffer is acting in bad faith but I do think they 
need to stick to a single account to avoid confusion. That being said, I don't 
think a discussion like this is necessary here. 

Best,

Isaac
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-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Raddatz <ajradd...@gmail.com>
Sender: "Wikimedia-l" <wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>Date: Mon, 27 
Feb 2017 10:22:54 
To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using WMF employee accounts and employee personal
 accounts in the same community discussions

A very, very small improvement to be sure. I think the guy in question gets
at it when he says that he was no longer using paid time to contribute to
the discussion.

Mods, do you intentionally let the list be used as a platform for this
constant flow of "omg the wmf is eeeeeviiiiilllll"? I seems to recall
hearing about days when useful discussions happened here.

On Feb 27, 2017 10:18 AM, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They have been repeatedly asked to stick to one account and refused to
> do so. I suggest you read the other contributions from the account(s)
> on the same page.
>
> Having an improved sockpuppeting policy would clear up any future
> confusion by WMF employees or those that happen to interact with their
> multiple accounts in discussions. However improvement here would be
> made a lot easier if WMF HR stated what was their expected mixed usage
> of accounts labelled "(WMF)" and personal accounts by the same
> employee in the same discussion.
>
> Fae
>
> On 27 February 2017 at 18:11, Adrian Raddatz <ajradd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh please. It might be a bit confusing, but there's no huge issue here.
> You
> > could have just asked the person to remain on one account, rather than
> > accuse him of sockpuppetry and ask an admin to block him if it continues.
> > I'd call that a rule of basic interaction in an online setting - be
> > curtious.
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2017 9:32 AM, "Fæ" <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Could someone with an appropriate level of managerial authority within
> >> the WMF, such as an HR manager, confirm that staff accounts, which are
> >> supposed to be identified with "(WMF)", are intended to be used for an
> >> employee's job or contract role, rather than for personal editing and
> >> publishing personal views?
> >>
> >> I ask this question after a long term employee has recently caused
> >> confusion in a consensus building discussion, but refuses to stick to
> >> one account when voting and expressing their personal views, making
> >> this not a legitimate use of a staff account as this is outside of
> >> their employed role. As the personal and employee accounts would
> >> appear to most participants to represent the views of two separate
> >> people, this can be judged as a breach of the local policy on
> >> sockpuppet accounts, as well as a misuse of a staff account.
> >>
> >> I'm raising this here as the local policy appears insufficient to
> >> convince the WMF employee that they are not using multiple accounts in
> >> a legitimate way, consequently a clearer statement from the WMF may
> >> help to refine the wording of the sockpuppet policy on the Mediawiki
> >> project, and help decide whether it can apply to WMF employees in the
> >> same way it already applies to unpaid volunteer contributors.
> >>
> >> Links
> >> 1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/
> >> Draft#WMF_employees_confusingly_using_personal_
> and_staff_accounts_in_the_
> >> same_consensus_building_discussion
> >> 2. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sock_puppetry
> >> 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#
> Legitimate_uses
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Fae
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