I think that the biggest misunderstanding is in the acronym because in the page the Phil-community uses the acronym of WMPH which seems more connected to WM Philippines instead of PH-WC.
Kind regards On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Maor Malul <mao...@zoho.com> wrote: > Hello, > > The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not > /members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely > different Wikimedia affiliate. > > If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to > appear in 2014, and the chapter was notified back then. More issues > accumulated over the time, and a solution was indeed searched for. Please > elaborate on what "substantive discussion, consultation or investigation" > means. > > > 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community > > > El 25/04/2017 a las 12:16 p.m., Gnangarra escribió: > >> It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it >> should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the >> recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements >> attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group >> organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number of >> other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have committed people, time >> and other resources need some clarity as well >> >> While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should at >> least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its currently >> 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. To me >> it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or investigation >> of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh response so >> quickly. >> >> On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul <mao...@zoho.com <mailto: >> mao...@zoho.com>> wrote: >> >> Hello Josh, >> >> The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further >> details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt >> the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please, >> avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is >> already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was >> given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to do, >> but decided to go its own way. >> >> M. >> >> >> El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió: >> >> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being >> “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this >> process will remain sustainable. >> >> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating >> for everyone involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself >> composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I >> simply cannot. >> >> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than >> others. Every organization does. But I will not allow the >> work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown >> out the window because we weren’t “accountable”. To the best >> of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to >> the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as >> accountable as we could’ve been. >> >> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this >> entire process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, >> process the grief this entire process has brought upon >> Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself. I will try to >> be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me >> to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect >> for the work that we’ve done over the last six years. That’s >> really all I’m asking for at this point. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Josh >> >> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman >> <jmh...@gmail.com <mailto:jmh...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:jmh...@gmail.com <mailto:jmh...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of >> accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in >> the Philippines to become more active again. >> >> James >> >> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia >> Israel<it...@wikimedia.org.il >> <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il> >> <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il >> >> <mailto:it...@wikimedia.org.il>>>wrote: >> >> Thank you Maor for the update. >> >> We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome >> recognition of new >> organizations, but I strongly believe that we >> continuously need >> to check >> and evaluate our current organizations. >> >> Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core >> assets - and >> while it's >> not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to >> recognize new >> ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are >> not longer >> active or >> non-compliance with our movement requirements. >> >> Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to >> start discuses >> what is a >> "movement accountability" and how we evaluate >> organizations who >> operate >> outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a >> significant part in >> it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel >> +972-54-5878078 >> <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il >> <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can >> freely >> share in the >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul >> <mao...@zoho.com <mailto:mao...@zoho.com> >> <mailto:mao...@zoho.com <mailto:mao...@zoho.com>>> wrote: >> >> > * >> > >> > Dear all, >> > >> > * >> > >> > ** >> > >> > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, >> thematic >> organization, >> > or user group - allows an independent group to >> officially use >> the Wikimedia >> > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain >> duties and >> > responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates >> adhere to >> the basic >> > compliance standards set forth in their agreements >> with the >> Wikimedia >> > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the >> exceptional cases >> > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum >> compliance >> standards and >> > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate >> presents a >> risk to the >> > Wikimedia movement.* >> > >> > * >> > >> > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was >> notified of their >> > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long >> standing and >> serious >> > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with >> reporting >> requirements >> > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple >> warnings >> regarding them, >> > and on the date mentioned above, was provided with >> an explicit >> list of >> > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance >> with their >> chapter >> > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these >> tasks by the >> deadline of >> > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified >> that they >> would no longer >> > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the >> termination of >> their Chapter >> > Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make >> clear that the >> > Affiliations Committee will continue to support >> other organized >> Wikimedia >> > communities and their activities in the Philippines. >> > >> > If you have questions about what this means for the >> community >> members in >> > their region or language areas, we have put together >> a very >> basic FAQ, >> > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> > >> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/ >> > >> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ >> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate >> s/> >> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >> ki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ >> >> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate >> s/>> >> > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.* >> > >> > >> > -- >> > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü >> alijunakalirua jee >> wayuukanairua >> > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. >> Ayatashi waya >> junain." >> > Maor Malul >> > Socio, A.C. 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