Yes but we are speaking about Turkey.

Kiwix is offline but also *portable*. It's sufficient to download once and
to distribute many times.

Kind regards

Il 08 Mag 2017 12:11, "Gabriel Thullen" <gabr...@thullen.com> ha scritto:

> Yes, we need to promote Kiwix. We need to ensure that people with no
> internet access can get Kiwix and that means that we do need to "clone
> Wikipedia content".
> It is quite expensive to download Kiwix because of the huge data charge
> that it implies, and it also takes for ever with a poor connection. We tend
> to forget that when we live in countries where we have 24H 7/7 unlimited
> internet...
>
> Best regards
> Gabe
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We need to promote Kiwix - definitely, but should we promote Wikipedia
> > zero? May be not, unless the issue of net neutrality is clearly
> addressed.
> > We need to remember that some countries had to ban different zero
> services,
> > as they clearly violated net neutrality and people were against them.
> >
> > Regards
> > On May 8, 2017 1:23 PM, "Ilario Valdelli" <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In these cases the big advantage is the capacity to be cloned. A
> > > governement can block an ip or a domain but it would be hard to block
> > > internet.
> > >
> > > The good approach is to invite the web to host kiwix and zim files for
> > > downloading. That would be easier than cloning Wikipedia content.
> > >
> > > However that approach will save readers but not writers.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Il 07 Mag 2017 23:36, "Gabriel Thullen" <gabr...@thullen.com> ha
> > scritto:
> > >
> > > > I agree with James that we need to encourage initiatives like Kiwix
> > > > Wikipedia Zero. We need to be able to distribute Kiwix in countries
> > that
> > > > have blocked Wikipedia, because it is no big deal for a government to
> > > block
> > > > the Kiwix.org site as well, and phone operators providing Wikipedia
> > Zero
> > > > will have to obey government injunctions. Chances are that a block on
> > > > kiwix.org will hardly be noticed by our community. Looks like the
> good
> > > old
> > > > sneakernet with USB flash drives is still a viable option...
> > > >
> > > > Gabe
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <
> dar...@alk.edu.pl
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yup. It would be interesting to ponder if wiki app could channel
> > > through
> > > > > Tor by default - in the spirit of The Guardian project. Informing
> > users
> > > > > about Tor benefits has obvious disavantages related to the fact
> that
> > > most
> > > > > people will not be able to grasp it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dariusz Jemielniak
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:26 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The issues occurring in Turkey highlight that we may also need to
> > > keep
> > > > in
> > > > > > mind:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Access
> > > > > >
> > > > > > over the next 15 years. Where access is not only potentially
> > hindered
> > > > by
> > > > > > governments but also technical and monetary realities in various
> > > > country
> > > > > > and region. We of course have already worked and continue to do
> > work
> > > in
> > > > > > this area with initiatives like Wikipedia Zero and Offline
> > Wikipedia
> > > /
> > > > > > Kiwix.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Katherine Maher <
> > > kma...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Summary: The report from cycle 1 discussion is online[1]. The
> > > start
> > > > of
> > > > > > > cycle 2 is delayed until next week.*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for your contributions! We have been hard at work
> > > reading,
> > > > > > > sorting, and summarizing more than 1,800 community member
> > > statements,
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > more than 100 community discussions from across five
> continents.
> > > Each
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > these statements was a response to the question: "What do we
> want
> > > to
> > > > > > build
> > > > > > > or achieve together over the next 15 years?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can find the full report on the major themes, and more
> > details
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > them, in a summarized report on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some common themes emerged from these conversations:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > * Reliable, neutral, high-quality content
> > > > > > > * Community health & support
> > > > > > > * Internal & external collaboration
> > > > > > > * Improved and new features
> > > > > > > * Users, editors, & contributors
> > > > > > > * Outreach, awareness, & promotion
> > > > > > > * Innovation and adaptation
> > > > > > > * Funding, staffing, and other organizational needs
> > > > > > > * Support for emerging communities
> > > > > > > * Advancing Wikipedia in education
> > > > > > > * Movement values
> > > > > > > * Sustainability & growth
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Each of these themes is described in more detail within the
> body
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > report,[1] and the full data spreadsheet from this analysis
> will
> > be
> > > > > > posted
> > > > > > > soon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The movement strategy team has been working to group these
> themes
> > > > > > together,
> > > > > > > so that we have a smaller number of concepts to consider in the
> > > next
> > > > > > cycle.
> > > > > > > Because this work is important, we want to make sure the
> grouping
> > > and
> > > > > > > analysis are comprehensive and thoughtful. In order to make
> sure
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > it right, we’re delaying the start of cycle 2 discussions until
> > > next
> > > > > > week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you probably know, the Turkish authorities blocked Wikipedia
> > in
> > > > > Turkey
> > > > > > > this week.[2] We’ve been working around the clock to understand
> > the
> > > > > > > circumstances and respond appropriately, including appealing in
> > > > Turkish
> > > > > > > court. We’re grateful to everyone who has reached out to offer
> us
> > > > your
> > > > > > > thoughts and perspective. Government limitations on free
> > knowledge
> > > > are
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > one of the critical issues that have come up during the
> movement
> > > > > strategy
> > > > > > > process. As we confront these challenges in real time, it has
> > been
> > > a
> > > > > > > reminder for me how important our work is, and how it has very
> > real
> > > > > > > implications for people around the globe. Again, thank you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kendine iyi bak (Turkish translation: “Take care of yourself”),
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katherine
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
> > > > > > Meta-Wiki.[3]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > > > > > movement/2017/Cycle_1/Report
> > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish-
> > > > > > authorities-block-wikipedia/
> > > > > > > [3]
> > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > > > > > movement/2017/Updates/5_May_2017_-_Update_15_on_Wikimedia_
> > > > > > > movement_strategy_process
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Katherine Maher
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > > > > 149 New Montgomery Street
> > > > > > > San Francisco, CA 94105
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > > > > > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > > > > > > kma...@wikimedia.org
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> > > > > > --
> > > > > > James Heilman
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > __________________________
> > > > > prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
> > > > > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> > > > > i grupy badawczej NeRDS
> > > > > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> > > > > http://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl
> > > > >
> > > > > członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
> > > > >
> > > > > Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge?
> An
> > > > > Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
> > > > > autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
> > > > >
> > > > > Recenzje
> > > > > Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> > > > > Pacific Standard:
> > > > > http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/
> > > > killed-wikipedia-93777/
> > > > > Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-
> > > > wikipedia
> > > > > The Wikipedian:
> > > > > http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-
> > > common-knowledge
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