I'm taking your response as a rather lengthy way of saying that there is no
convenient central location for discussions of the sort that ought to be
taking place around this and other projects.  Is that correct?


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Tim Starling <tstarl...@wikimedia.org>

> On 19/06/17 16:20, Rogol Domedonfors wrote:
> > I quite agree that Phabricator is not suitable for these discussions.
> > Perhaps Tim would like to say where and how discussions between the
> > Community and Foundation staff about the need for, and desirability of,
> > projects like this should be held.  After all, we all want projects to go
> > ahead on the basis of Community input, don't we?
> We've had community input in this thread, but I haven't actually seen
> any objection to this proposal raised that stands up to analysis.
> Maybe meta would provide a platform for more organised discussion.
> Almost everyone talked about abuse potential, ignoring the fact that
> we already allow editing via Tor. Nothing actually changes in terms of
> abuse potential. The same people can edit, they can just use a
> different URL.
> The only other argument I saw was that by doing this, we are
> supporting Tor, and Tor is evil. But the hidden service only handles
> traffic which is directed to the service. It does not support the
> network in general. Meanwhile, since 2014 we are operating a relay
> which routinely forwards traffic for script kiddies, terrorists and
> child pornographers, and nobody complains about that?
> I think we should shut down the relay, which in my opinion is not
> mission-aligned, and set up the hidden service, which clearly is
> mission-aligned.
> A hidden service provides a small security improvement compared to
> plain HTTPS, and is marginally more censorship-resistant than a VPN.
> Its privacy protection is not perfect, but it is probably better than
> any other existing solution (except of course [1] ;-). It is a small
> technical project, which provides a small benefit to
> security-conscious users.
> -- Tim Starling
> [1]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-04-01/
> Technology_report>
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