Dariusz

Thanks for that update.  You don't mention any channels for communication
between the reconstituted Board and the Community at large, nor
opportunities for the Community at large to be involved in suggesting
names.  I assume then that engagement with the Community is not considered
important here?

"Rogol"

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>
wrote:

> Hello! The Advisory Board (AB) and its role was indeed among the BGC
> priorities for this year [1]. And I have been working with the former AB
> members on a concept for how the AB’s work should be organized. The concept
> they came up though needs to be clarified and improved, especially on how
> the AB internal coordination will be organized [2]. The group will work on
> this with minimal overhead from the Board of Trustees and without
> staff/budget support at first. The BGC believes that the AB can be used as
> a practical path for prospective members of the Board Board of Trustees,
> and to formalize relationships between high-profile experts, and staff and
> the Board members. We shall answer with more details soon.
>
> We have not made any announcements, as we're in the process, which I ope is
> understandable - there is no formal constitution of the body yet.
>
> Dariusz & Nat
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Board_Governance_Committee/Minutes_2016-07-08#Advisory_Board
> [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Board_Governance_Committee/Minutes_13-04-2017
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Craig
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughtful response.  There are two gneral issues around
> > the Advisory Board that members of the Community might be interested in.
> >
> > Firstly, it seems that after having lapsed in 2015, the Advisory Board
> has
> > been reconstituted, but there has been no announcement to the Community,
> > and indeed the Community was given no opportunity to engage with the
> > process of reconstitution (for example, by way of suggesting new members
> or
> > new processes).  In particular, we in the Community do not know who the
> new
> > Advisory Board members are, or what the new remit of the Advisory Board
> is,
> > or whether and how to engage with those members.
> >
> > Secondly, as a consequence there are no established channels for
> engagement
> > between the Advisory Board and the Community.  As a member of the new
> > Avdvisory Board, you may wish to encourage your colleagues to establish
> > appropriate opportunities and rules of engagement for yourself and your
> > fellow members to engage with the Community.
> >
> > You mentioned "tradtions".  I am sorry to say that my personal view is
> that
> > the relationship between the Board of Trustees and the wider Foundation
> on
> > the one hand and the Community of contributors and consumers on the other
> > has "traditionally" been less than satisfctory.  I hope that this is one
> > tradition that your advice will be helpful in overturning.
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Craig Newmark <craig.newm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Rogol, I'm on the advisory board, and actively involved in related
> > issues,
> > > but have hesitated posting in respect for Community traditions (as I
> > learn
> > > them) and also, as a large effort emerges in journalism regarding
> > reliable
> > > sources.
> > >
> > > Specifically, the latter involves the News Integrity Initiative
> centered
> > at
> > > the City University of NY, graduate journalism department.
> > >
> > > That's to say, I hesitate until I learn the respectful way to talk
> about
> > > this, and until the NII has a lot more to say.
> > >
> > > Additional constraint per the ethics of funding nonprofit journalism,
> per
> > > the American Press Institute: when I say something, I need to be
> > > transparent while also Doing No Harm.  (The latter is surprisingly
> > > difficult.) To that effect, I gotta disclose that I provide significant
> > > funding to the NII as well as WMF.
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate your advice, and that of anyone interested in this
> > subject.
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig Newmark, founder craigslist
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> > domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This Board was fomed in 2007 to advise the  Wikimedia Foundation, and
> > was
> > > > required to be renewed annually.  No resolution was made to do so in
> > > 2015,
> > > > so by the beginning of 2016 it had lapsed.  This status is reflected
> at
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Advisory_Board but the corresponding
> > > page
> > > > at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_Board is seriously
> > out
> > > of
> > > > date (it was written when the board was still in existence).  Just
> > about
> > > a
> > > > year ago, Dariusz assured me that "it is one of the BGC's priorities
> to
> > > > revise and re-ignite the Advisory Board" and indeed the BGC minutes
> for
> > > > April published a couple of days ago at
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > > > Board_Governance_Committee/Minutes_13-04-2017
> > > > show that the BGC took a paper (not made public) from Dariusz on the
> > > > subject and agreed to "submit a formal proposal to the Board".  No
> > Board
> > > > resoultion on the subject has yet been published.
> > > >
> > > > Rather confusingly, shortly after the BGC meeting, Florence wrote a
> > page
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > > movement/2017/Sources/WMF_Advisory_board
> > > > recording the Advisory Board's opinions on matters arising in the
> > current
> > > > movement strategy process.  So it would seem that within a fortnight
> of
> > > the
> > > > BGC meeting, an entity called the Advisory Board was already in
> > existence
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > What is the status of the Avisory Board?  Has it been reconstiuted,
> and
> > > if
> > > > so, when, and who are its new members?  If it has not been
> > reconstituted,
> > > > what is the status of Florence's record?  If and when the Advisory
> > Board
> > > is
> > > > reconstituted, will input from the Community for potential members be
> > > > welcome, and if so how will it be gathered?  Once the Board is in
> > > operation
> > > > again, is it expected that it will interact with  the Community, and
> if
> > > so,
> > > > what will the mechanism be for that interaction.
> > > >
> > > > "Rogol"
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> __________________________
> prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
> kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> i grupy badawczej NeRDS
> Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> http://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl
>
> Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
> Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
> autorstwa (Dorothy Lee Award 2015, Nagroda Naukowa Prezesa PAN 2016)
> http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
>
> Recenzje
> Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> Pacific Standard:
> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
> Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
> The Wikipedian:
> http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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