I think we should have those channels, once the body is constituted.

Best

Dj

On Jun 26, 2017 19:59, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dariusz
>
> Thanks for that update.  You don't mention any channels for communication
> between the reconstituted Board and the Community at large, nor
> opportunities for the Community at large to be involved in suggesting
> names.  I assume then that engagement with the Community is not considered
> important here?
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello! The Advisory Board (AB) and its role was indeed among the BGC
>> priorities for this year [1]. And I have been working with the former AB
>> members on a concept for how the AB’s work should be organized. The
>> concept
>> they came up though needs to be clarified and improved, especially on how
>> the AB internal coordination will be organized [2]. The group will work on
>> this with minimal overhead from the Board of Trustees and without
>> staff/budget support at first. The BGC believes that the AB can be used as
>> a practical path for prospective members of the Board Board of Trustees,
>> and to formalize relationships between high-profile experts, and staff and
>> the Board members. We shall answer with more details soon.
>>
>> We have not made any announcements, as we're in the process, which I ope
>> is
>> understandable - there is no formal constitution of the body yet.
>>
>> Dariusz & Nat
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_
>> Governance_Committee/Minutes_2016-07-08#Advisory_Board
>> [2]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_
>> Governance_Committee/Minutes_13-04-2017
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Craig
>> >
>> > Thanks for your thoughtful response.  There are two gneral issues around
>> > the Advisory Board that members of the Community might be interested in.
>> >
>> > Firstly, it seems that after having lapsed in 2015, the Advisory Board
>> has
>> > been reconstituted, but there has been no announcement to the Community,
>> > and indeed the Community was given no opportunity to engage with the
>> > process of reconstitution (for example, by way of suggesting new
>> members or
>> > new processes).  In particular, we in the Community do not know who the
>> new
>> > Advisory Board members are, or what the new remit of the Advisory Board
>> is,
>> > or whether and how to engage with those members.
>> >
>> > Secondly, as a consequence there are no established channels for
>> engagement
>> > between the Advisory Board and the Community.  As a member of the new
>> > Avdvisory Board, you may wish to encourage your colleagues to establish
>> > appropriate opportunities and rules of engagement for yourself and your
>> > fellow members to engage with the Community.
>> >
>> > You mentioned "tradtions".  I am sorry to say that my personal view is
>> that
>> > the relationship between the Board of Trustees and the wider Foundation
>> on
>> > the one hand and the Community of contributors and consumers on the
>> other
>> > has "traditionally" been less than satisfctory.  I hope that this is one
>> > tradition that your advice will be helpful in overturning.
>> >
>> > "Rogol"
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Craig Newmark <craig.newm...@gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Rogol, I'm on the advisory board, and actively involved in related
>> > issues,
>> > > but have hesitated posting in respect for Community traditions (as I
>> > learn
>> > > them) and also, as a large effort emerges in journalism regarding
>> > reliable
>> > > sources.
>> > >
>> > > Specifically, the latter involves the News Integrity Initiative
>> centered
>> > at
>> > > the City University of NY, graduate journalism department.
>> > >
>> > > That's to say, I hesitate until I learn the respectful way to talk
>> about
>> > > this, and until the NII has a lot more to say.
>> > >
>> > > Additional constraint per the ethics of funding nonprofit journalism,
>> per
>> > > the American Press Institute: when I say something, I need to be
>> > > transparent while also Doing No Harm.  (The latter is surprisingly
>> > > difficult.) To that effect, I gotta disclose that I provide
>> significant
>> > > funding to the NII as well as WMF.
>> > >
>> > > I'd appreciate your advice, and that of anyone interested in this
>> > subject.
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Craig Newmark, founder craigslist
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <
>> > domedonf...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > This Board was fomed in 2007 to advise the  Wikimedia Foundation,
>> and
>> > was
>> > > > required to be renewed annually.  No resolution was made to do so in
>> > > 2015,
>> > > > so by the beginning of 2016 it had lapsed.  This status is
>> reflected at
>> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Advisory_Board but the
>> corresponding
>> > > page
>> > > > at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_Board is seriously
>> > out
>> > > of
>> > > > date (it was written when the board was still in existence).  Just
>> > about
>> > > a
>> > > > year ago, Dariusz assured me that "it is one of the BGC's
>> priorities to
>> > > > revise and re-ignite the Advisory Board" and indeed the BGC minutes
>> for
>> > > > April published a couple of days ago at
>> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
>> > > > Board_Governance_Committee/Minutes_13-04-2017
>> > > > show that the BGC took a paper (not made public) from Dariusz on the
>> > > > subject and agreed to "submit a formal proposal to the Board".  No
>> > Board
>> > > > resoultion on the subject has yet been published.
>> > > >
>> > > > Rather confusingly, shortly after the BGC meeting, Florence wrote a
>> > page
>> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>> > > > movement/2017/Sources/WMF_Advisory_board
>> > > > recording the Advisory Board's opinions on matters arising in the
>> > current
>> > > > movement strategy process.  So it would seem that within a
>> fortnight of
>> > > the
>> > > > BGC meeting, an entity called the Advisory Board was already in
>> > existence
>> > > > again.
>> > > >
>> > > > What is the status of the Avisory Board?  Has it been reconstiuted,
>> and
>> > > if
>> > > > so, when, and who are its new members?  If it has not been
>> > reconstituted,
>> > > > what is the status of Florence's record?  If and when the Advisory
>> > Board
>> > > is
>> > > > reconstituted, will input from the Community for potential members
>> be
>> > > > welcome, and if so how will it be gathered?  Once the Board is in
>> > > operation
>> > > > again, is it expected that it will interact with  the Community,
>> and if
>> > > so,
>> > > > what will the mechanism be for that interaction.
>> > > >
>> > > > "Rogol"
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>> __________________________
>> prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
>> kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
>> i grupy badawczej NeRDS
>> Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
>> http://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl
>>
>> Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
>> Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
>> autorstwa (Dorothy Lee Award 2015, Nagroda Naukowa Prezesa PAN 2016)
>> http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
>>
>> Recenzje
>> Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
>> Pacific Standard:
>> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
>> Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
>> The Wikipedian:
>> http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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