In any case now what we would like is an independent audit, addressing very 
precise questions pushed by the community of members  To go through an audit to 
get an IDEAS label is not the same as going through an audit resulting from a 
governance crisis, The evaluation processes are not the same, the context is 
usually not the same. 
Ideally it would be much better if the community got involved more in what is 
happening in chapters, as chapters spend the money derived from the notoriety 
of their work as contributors, thus getting also the media attention. 


Natacha Rault / Nattes à chat


> Le 4 août 2017 à 12:03, Gilles Chagnon <cont...@gchagnon.fr> a écrit :
> 
> I think the two audits the board refers to as those by IDEAS.
> 
> However, except of the announcement of the final label, there was no report 
> to the community. An audit usually comes with recommendations and a series of 
> good points/concerns but as far as I know, no result was shared outside of 
> the board/the direction. I can understand that some points may be 
> confidential, but I also think that some conclusions could have been shared, 
> provided the auditing organism had been told to write their conclusion in a 
> suitable way.
> 
>       G. Chag
> 
> Le 04/08/2017 à 11:45, Ilario Valdelli a écrit :
>> Only an audit can answer. To switch from rumors to facts, this is the most 
>> appropriate solution.
>> It seems that Wikimedia France had two audits (but it would be interesting 
>> to know if limited only to the financial aspects) and another by the FDC.
>> The General Assembly can have the power to claim for an audit too, defining 
>> the auditing entity.
>> Kind regards
>> On 04/08/2017 11:27, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote:
>>> Assuming of course that a chapter actually follows its bylaws....
>>> 
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>>> The power of WMF, defined in the agreement, is basically limited to
>>> revoke the chapters agreement.
>>> 
>>> There is no mention in the Chapters agreement that WMF can take a
>>> control of a chapter and to manage a General Assembly.
>>> 
>>> You forget that the legal pilaster of a chapter is the bylaws.
>>> 
>>> On 04/08/2017 10:02, James Salsman wrote:
>>>> Rogol,
>>>> 
>>>> What content protected by safe harbor provisions would the Foundation
>>>> be exerting editorial control over by requiring governance standards
>>>> of a Chapter?
>>>> 
>>>> Is there some French law that requires charities to be more
>>>> independent of their international affiliates than would be under such
>>>> a requirement?
>>>> 
>>>> The chapter agreements already contemplate this sort of control,
>>>> because they state, "The Chapter agrees ... to refrain from ...
>>>> engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or
>>>> image of the Wikimedia Foundation," and are revocable upon three
>>>> months notice.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> If the Foundation is seen to be directing the activities of a chapter at
>>>>> the proposed level of micro-management then it would jeopardise the legal
>>>>> status both of the Foundation (in terms of their safe harbour status) and
>>>>> of the chapter (as an independent and charitable body).  The Foundation is
>>>>> free to fund or not fund, to recognise or derecognise.  But not to 
>>>>> control.
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