Yes there are cultural differences between wikipedias on _content_, but
there should be no differences on _policy_ about that content.
Note also that there are some differences on use of _facts_ that are highly
troublesome, and that comes from relaxed core policies.
Armenian genocide for example.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> to quote, worth a read before even considering policies being global
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/asi.23901/abstract
>
> This article explores the relationship between linguistic culture and the
> > preferred standards of presenting information based on article
> > representation in major Wikipedias. Using primary research analysis of
> the
> > number of images, references, internal links, external links, words, and
> > characters, as well as their proportions in Good and Featured articles on
> > the eight largest Wikipedias, we discover a high diversity of approaches
> > and format preferences, correlating with culture. We demonstrate that
> > high-quality standards in information presentation are not globally
> shared
> > and that in many aspects, the language culture's influence determines
> what
> > is perceived to be proper, desirable, and exemplary for encyclopedic
> > entries. As a result, we demonstrate that standards for encyclopedic
> > knowledge are not globally agreed-upon and “objective” but local and very
> > subjective.
> >
>
> On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The number of pillars depends on the language version...
> > And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be pf much
> > importance
> > Ziko
> >
> > John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> schrieb am Do. 3. Aug. 2017 um
> 14:42:
> >
> > > Five pillars are moot.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The moment you have a centralised policy you take away the ability to
> > > > discuss, makes decisions, and achieve consensus from the community
> that
> > > > create the projects. Importantly you create the opportunity for
> banned
> > > and
> > > > blocked editors to decide what happens in a community.
> > > >
> > > > By having a base set of simple policies in the Incubator that are
> > > > atuomatically created when a project starts up you give them the best
> > > guide
> > > > to establishing themselves well before that project goes live, ince a
> > > > project is live it has to be allowed to develop its community.
> > > >
> > > > We already have the 5 pillars which are the basis for the projects,
> but
> > > > meta is not a place that the content creating community spends a lot
> of
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > On 3 August 2017 at 19:07, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Having centralized core policies would lessen the maintenance and
> > > > process,
> > > > > not increase them.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Strainu <strain...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The core policies should be the ones pushed by board resolution,
> > and
> > > > > > those should be the absolute minimum required to keep the
> projects
> > > > > > safe from a legal POV. Period. Otherwise, people with little
> > > > > > understanding of small Wikipedias will try to push stuff from
> > en.wp.
> > > > > > Just recently someone was trying to have an RFC on meta on all
> the
> > > > > > different processes that en.wp has and ro.wp does not have, with
> > > > > > little consideration on whether the manpower to implement, let
> > alone
> > > > > > maintain, these processes exists. No thank you to rule pushing
> > > without
> > > > > > local context.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Having a community take a rule from en.wp is different, just as
> > long
> > > > > > as some kind of discussion happens within the community about it.
> > > Even
> > > > > > if the rule is really useless or harmful and the community did
> not
> > > > > > realize that in the beginning, at least it can evolve differently
> > > from
> > > > > > the English one. Have a centralized repository and trying to
> change
> > > > > > the rules there by consensus would be much more difficult for
> small
> > > > > > communities.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Strainu
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2017-08-02 17:05 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > > > Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core
> content
> > > > > > policies,
> > > > > > > but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, because a lot
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only partial
> > > policies.
> > > > It
> > > > > > > takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them
> updated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Creating and maintaining the core content policies should not
> be
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > that small projects should invest a lot of time in, they should
> > > > simply
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > able to point to existing policies on Meta. The central
> policies
> > > > should
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > localized if necessary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Checking Meta I find
> > > > > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_no_original_research_
> > policy
> > > > > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can't find anything like "Verifiability".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to make some
> sound
> > > > > baseline
> > > > > > > policies, and with the option for local projects to refine
> those?
> > > > > Perhaps
> > > > > > > with assistance from editors on Wikipedia?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lets try to make the policies accurate, without "no original
> > > > research"
> > > > > > > diverging into verifiability of external sources. It should be
> > > about
> > > > > > > original research in content on Wikipedia. Likewise, at some
> > > projects
> > > > > > > neutral point of view has become "do not diverge from creators
> > > point
> > > > of
> > > > > > > view"…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would this be possible? It would be really nice if those
> baseline
> > > > > > policies
> > > > > > > pages could be copied to the individual projects like central
> > user
> > > > > pages,
> > > > > > > so they would be "internal" to the projects. Thus the projects
> > > would
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > more "ownership" of them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The same thing apply to other meta projects (Wikipedia,
> > Wikibooks,
> > > > > > > Wiktionary, etc).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeblad
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