Just briefly a short comment: visitors should be approached with messages especially created for them. I am always sceptical of simply re-using a content made for one context/audience for another context/audience. Kind regards Ziko
2017-08-19 9:25 GMT+02:00 K. Peachey <p858sn...@gmail.com>: > I notice those youtube links didn't use the nocookie domain or display > warnings about external youtube links, example being the previous WP > Zero Petition <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition> > > On 18 August 2017 at 22:45, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Wikimania is well over, and now that everyone is slowly getting home, I'd > > like to touch on a hallway discussion that was going on during Wikimania. > > This was regarding the centralnotice banners advertizing a livestream of > > Katherine's and Christophe's presentation of the draft direction for the > > 2030 strategy. > > > > First a few quick facts: > > The banners were on Fri 11 Aug shown for 1,5 hour in 'emergency mode' on > > all English language projects (including Commons, meta) to all logged in, > > anonimous and mobile visitors. The campaigns can be found here > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: > CentralNotice&subaction=noticeDetail¬ice=WikimaniaLive>, > > here > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: > CentralNotice&subaction=noticeDetail¬ice=WikimaniaLiveLoggedin>and > > here > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special: > CentralNotice&subaction=noticeDetail¬ice=WikimaniaLiveMobile>, > > for reference. The text in the banner was "Where will Wikipedia and > > Wikimedia be in 2030? Find out LIVE from Montreal" with a link to a > youtube > > page with a stream <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdr2F8aB9y0> . > > > > I was quite taken by surprise with this, and taken aback. Here we were, > the > > Wikimedia community telling all these visitors of Wikipedia and other > > projects that we are so important, that we should have them watch a > > presentation of a first draft of a direction of a strategy that still > needs > > to be worked out. Not only was the text in the banner a bit misleading (I > > didn't see much crystal bowl gazing - but rather a statement of where we > > would like to go - but soit, I can overlook that), but it feels > especially > > pretentious to me. Maybe this is a cultural matter, and in other cultures > > this kind of bragging (which is what it feels like to me) is normal. > > > > I could have understood an advertizement of this and other sessions to > our > > logged in community members - that would actually have been a nice way of > > engaging them in an expensive conference that we would like more online > > audience to be part of. But only this session, and then all visitors of > > Wikimedia projects? No, thanks. > > > > Totally separate of the message displayed and whether we want to show it > to > > this kind of large audience, I was surprised that this link was pointing > to > > Youtube. This goes against our policies on Centralnotice > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Usage_guidelines>, > stating: > > "Wikimedia Owned - Banners must link to Wikimedia controlled domains > (owned > > either by Wikimedia Foundation, Wikimedia affiliates or Wikimedia > > Volunteers identified to the Wikimedia Foundation)." I guess there is a > > very remote interpretation possible that the channel is owned by the > > Wikimedia Foundation, and I did not see any indication that Youtube was > > running ads on that particular channel. > > > > I was unable to locate any community discussions or consultation about > > this. Could someone at the WMF share where this was discussed prior to > the > > decision, and could they explain their reasoning? I'm not looking to > blame > > anyone for this - shit happens - but I would like to see some discussion > on > > what we want and dont want to do in this field, so that we can actually > > learn from this exercise. I was told in (very rapid and somewhat > unwilling) > > hallway discussions that this was signed off by multiple layers of > > management at the WMF, so I assume some documented reasoning and > > consultation is available. > > > > Best, > > Lodewijk > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
