Thank you, Shani. My new favorite word is "automagically". And thank you
all for working on new ideas for list moderation.
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On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Shani Evenstein <shani.e...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedia-l,
>
> Rogol has been placed under moderation, but at this point no decision has
> been made to ban him from the list. As long as his messages are reasonable,
> respectful and on point, his messages will go through. We agreed that it is
> important to allow a diversity of voices to be heard, including those of
> "frequent flyers" in the list, especially as we work collaboratively on
> next steps towards a healthier community atmosphere.
>
> In addition, we are asking everyone to refrain from focusing on specific
> individuals posting to the list, put any personal issues aside and stay on
> problem. We want as many people as possible to productively and objectively
> participate in the discussion, till we draft clearer guidelines for posting
> to the list. We are aware that these guidelines will not automagically fix
> all of our issues as a global community, but we believe they will help
> reduce the noise substantially. Do keep on debating. We are trying to
> intervene as little as possible at this point and let the debate run its
> course.
>
> Best,
> Shani Evenstein, on behalf of the Wikimedia-l Admins.
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 8:52 PM, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Why are we having this RFC prior to the survey which was discussed at
> > length less than a year ago?
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:James_Salsman#
> > Periodic_survey_prototype
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Robert Fernandez
> > <wikigamal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Since Rogol has followed through on his threat he should be banned from
> > the
> > > list, or we should have a public statement from the moderators
> regarding
> > > why they will not do so.
> > >
> > > I can't imagine many actions that would have a more chilling effect on
> > > participation here than one of this list's most frequent posters
> > contacting
> > > your employer because he disagrees with what you have to say.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Since you kindly emailed my line manage Rogol, I wanted to confirm
> that
> > my
> > >> choice of words were very carefully chosen.
> > >>
> > >> And I stand by them.
> > >>
> > >> Seddon
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> > domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Joseph
> > >> >
> > >> > I chose my wording quite carefully, and suggest that you do so
> too.  I
> > >> said
> > >> > that the proposal "involves", not "is equal to" real-life identity
> To
> > >> the
> > >> > extent that real-life identities are involved, it is reasonable to
> ask
> > >> how
> > >> > that personal information is going to be handled.  For some reason,
> > you
> > >> > seem keen to derail that part of the discussion by elevating a
> quibble
> > >> over
> > >> > your hasty misunderstanding of my wording into an accusation, which
> I
> > >> > reject, of generalised misconduct.  If you have some comment to make
> > >> about
> > >> > the handling of personal information, please do so.
> > >> >
> > >> > May I suggest that you withdraw your original posting, apologise to
> > the
> > >> > membership of this list for the unconstructive nature of your
> posting,
> > >> and
> > >> > to me for its aggressive, insulting and incorrect content.
> > >> Alternatively,
> > >> > perhaps you would prefer me to ask your line manager whether this is
> > the
> > >> > sort of behaviour that she expects you to exhibit in a public forum.
> > >> >
> > >> > Reginald
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Joseph Seddon <
> jsed...@wikimedia.org
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Real identity does not equal real-life identity. You can mask your
> > >> > > pseudonymous identity and pose as a third party similarly
> > pseudonymous
> > >> > > individual.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Seddon
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