hi david, as with your accusations regarding the spending, my question would be whether you have anything to substantiate it. Seddon was clear: it did not happen, unless perhaps a human error in a minimal number of campaigns. If you have that then please bring that up in a *separate* thead.
you're going more and more off topic. I suggest that we return to the question at hand: the two stage loading problem. lodewijk On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Joseph > > Thanks for that link. > > *NB*: I hope that the list moderators shall not censor / block / unduly > delay this important internal conversation we are having concerning WMF > self-financing model. > > Since this concerns the WMF fund-raising drives of Nov-Dec 2016, I'm > linking to the following messages > > 1. *[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 > for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki* > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-May/084254.html> > > *"WMF's sheer wastage of donated money (incl. lunch > money from Scottish schoolkids) on unnecessary litigation, I cite that > the single most prominent case they defended in the period was > apparently a domain name dispute (said to billed at US$ 317,490) in > which the opposite party (a Wikipedian of long standing) who had only > booked the domain name to prevent it from being snaffled by "cyber > squatters" had immediately offered to donate it WMF free of cost > before the case began. Had WMF accepted that voluntary and good faith > donation offer, they would have also got back 75% of the filing fees > (a not insubstantial amount). > > Dave"* > > > 2. *Reply by Greg Varnum (WMF) on this mailing list* > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-May/084276.html> > > > > > > > > > > *"As for the question about why the Wikimedia Foundationspent $317,490 > fighting "cybersquatters" that offeredto donate the domain in dispute: We’re > not sure where this question comes from, as we haven’t dealt with a case that > fits this description. We do not fight cybersquatters who offer to donate > their domains (especially if they are community members),and, to date, we > have not spent anything approachingthat much money on this type of case."* > > > 3. *Your donation keeps Wikipedia and free knowledge thriving* > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/11/29/wikimedia-foundation-annual-fundraiser/> > > "Legal defense to preserve your right to access, share, and remix > knowledge, including court battles won over Wikimedia content in Brazil > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/09/14/rosanah-fienngo/>, Germany > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/08/09/victory-germany-appeal-dismissed/>, > France <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/06/20/france-legal-victory/>, and > India." > > including unreplied comments on why the India court battles were not > linked unlike the others > So to sum up: > > 1. The WMF form 990 says US law firm "JonesDay" received US$ 1,742,916 for > legal services in 2014-15 > > 2. WMF is unprepared to specifically inform the community how much of that > was spent on fighting a specific "cyber-squatter" from India (my own > sources at the time said US$ 300,000 was paid by WMF to JonesDay for this > case, mainly billable hours for JD partner Carrie Kiedrowski). > > 3. WMF is unprepared to specifically inform the community whether or not > this cyber squatter (who claims to be a community member since 2003) had > straightaway offered to donate the domain name free of cost to the WMF and > close the case, however, WMF rejected the offer and instead ran up huge > legal bills which were financed by donations, and probably continues to do > so since that case is still ongoing in India's legal system . > > 4. I distinctly recall that when I was in India in mid-November 2016, > attending the Opendaylight Linux forum in Bengaluru and incidentally > discussing there the progress of this legal case with the other party who > was an attendee, I was bombarded with WMF donation banner-ads, as a > logged-in user, which carried through till mid-December 2016 when I was at > Sri Lanka and Kathmandu but which curiously stopped when I reached > Austraila. > > 5. So, as a community member and contributor, I would like to know how > every dollar raised by WMF is collected, and also spent thereafter. > > Warmly > > David > > > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Joseph Seddon <josephsed...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> I would refer to my answer I gave on the forked thread relating to this >> topic. >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-Septe >> mber/088570.html >> >> Regards >> Seddon >> >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 3:46 PM, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Sure Lodewijk, >> > >> > Banners from December 2016: >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inline_donor_bannerbass.png >> > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Inline_ >> > donor_bannerbass.png >> > >> > Comments from Seddon >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016- >> > December/085612.html >> > >> > Perhaps these banners were muted for logged-in users in USA, but I was >> > in S-E Asia last December and it was a very unpleasant experience for >> > me, especially while on mobile and logged in, to get a begging >> > banner/pop-up about after every 4 pages I loaded. >> > >> > David >> > >> > On 9/6/17, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote: >> > > Hi David, >> > > >> > > Would you mind elaborating on the first point? I vaguely recall test >> > > banners being shown to logged in users, but don't recall seeing one >> > myself >> > > while logged in for a while. >> > > >> > > Best, >> > > Lodewijk >> > > >> > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:16 PM, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > >> a) This is incorrect >> > >> b) how many years would "for several years" encompass? >> > >> >> > >> David >> > >> >> > >> On 9/5/17, Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> > >> > WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several >> > >> years. >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Seddon >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> > wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> i/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>