This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends
in a "reconciliation".

Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity mission.

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2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
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> Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.
>
> I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the mailing
> list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
> moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more suited
> place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal
> creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far as
> I'm concerned.
>
> You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an overview
> of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources which
> let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and
> resources to do so.
>
> If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective as
> you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research
> project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project
> might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to create
> and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews.
>
> I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up in
> the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution.
>
> Kind regards,
> mathieu
>
> [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline
>
>
>
> Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit :
>
>> Ended up with out the links, sorry:
>> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
>> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
>> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24
>>
>> Chico Venancio
>>
>> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <chicocvenan...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
>>> lies.*
>>>
>>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1]
>>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy
>>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]
>>>
>>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil
>>> that
>>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
>>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of another
>>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with
>>> either
>>> myself or João.
>>>
>>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
>>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not
>>> only
>>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
>>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.
>>>
>>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
>>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not
>>> want
>>> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was on
>>> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki
>>> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of actually
>>> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user
>>> group,
>>> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
>>> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a public
>>> facebook thread.
>>>
>>> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly invalid
>>> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors of
>>> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly states
>>> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license and
>>> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront to
>>> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the user
>>> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was not
>>> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only
>>> makes
>>> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of
>>> good
>>> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the
>>> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.
>>>
>>> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,
>>>
>>> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,
>>>
>>> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)
>>>
>>> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade <
>>> henriquedeandr...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>> :
>>>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to write
>>>> the
>>>> story below.
>>>>
>>>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted
>>>> down
>>>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and
>>>> the
>>>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a
>>>> "member"
>>>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses the
>>>> username Joalpe.
>>>>
>>>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email informing
>>>> me
>>>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from
>>>> Joalpe
>>>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I
>>>> CCBWIKI
>>>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper which
>>>> he
>>>> is a co-author.
>>>>
>>>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
>>>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying WMF
>>>> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading
>>>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In the
>>>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu
>>>> Brazil
>>>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was bothered
>>>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the site
>>>> the
>>>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0
>>>> license.
>>>>
>>>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two days
>>>> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the Wiki
>>>> Edu
>>>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have
>>>> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for Research,
>>>> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São Paulo
>>>> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski.
>>>>
>>>> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the texts
>>>> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of the
>>>> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish it,
>>>> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies that we
>>>> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to CCBWIKI,
>>>> where it would have been originally published.
>>>>
>>>> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not only
>>>> was
>>>> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons publication
>>>> could
>>>> not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his name
>>>> did
>>>> not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author of
>>>> the
>>>> article did not register it correctly in the system, but when clicking
>>>> on
>>>> the file his name was in the credits correctly. Third: the published
>>>> content was exactly the one sent by the author David Fernando Levon
>>>> Alves
>>>> on August 29, 2016, and until the current unfortunate legal threat I did
>>>> not even know of the existence of Intercom conference, where I now know
>>>> that the same paper had been presented in September 9th.
>>>>
>>>> And Joalpe knows all about it! Even on page that he links[2] in his
>>>> complaint saying that is proof of him having revoked our authorization
>>>> for
>>>> publication, he clearly says that he disallows the publication of the
>>>> paper
>>>> his is the main author, and that he would talk to the other author to
>>>> propose withdrawing the paper in question, and the chair of the event
>>>> promptly replied indicating that the dialogue should continue through
>>>> the
>>>> conference management system (it is worth noting that he said he would
>>>> like
>>>> to withdraw his work because he has never seen an academic conference
>>>> that
>>>> does not pay for the transfer and accommodations for all, an argument
>>>> that
>>>> does not make any sense to anyone that minimally knows the reality of
>>>> Brazilian academy).
>>>>
>>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The DMCA
>>>> notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted file
>>>> or
>>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would obviously opt
>>>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal. But
>>>> within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour
>>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is worth
>>>> mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in the
>>>> domain
>>>> wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the previous
>>>> conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in key
>>>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to the
>>>> very
>>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In order to
>>>> request that the sites be republished.
>>>>
>>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety and
>>>> the
>>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support policies
>>>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the
>>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not
>>>> receive
>>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal implications of
>>>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke with
>>>> groups
>>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded that
>>>> the
>>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing persecution.
>>>>
>>>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had to
>>>> deal
>>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could not
>>>> do
>>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just couldn’t
>>>> do
>>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be
>>>> something
>>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who
>>>> denounces
>>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is even a
>>>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting!
>>>>
>>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of ​​roses and I have
>>>> several times left and I stopped editing because of the bullying done by
>>>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive behavior
>>>> of
>>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all my
>>>> time
>>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from something I
>>>> did
>>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move the
>>>> largest university in Latin America into an international legal threat
>>>> against the movement he claims to be a part of. We need to stop it!
>>>>
>>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that he
>>>> leads
>>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach
>>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally threaten
>>>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our movement
>>>> to
>>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre
>>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible way by
>>>> the
>>>> Wikimedia movement. A copyright troll should never receive grants, be
>>>> accepted in our spaces and have the right to speak on behalf of our
>>>> community!
>>>>
>>>> In addition to measures within the Wikimedia community I also ask for
>>>> your
>>>> support to help with my defense of Joalpe's attack on the legal world. I
>>>> call upon all advocates of free culture, freedom of knowledge and the
>>>> Wikimedia movement to endorse the following petition [3], addressed to
>>>> the
>>>> University of São Paulo, demanding that it immediately withdraw the
>>>> complaint of violation to the DMCA made against the Wiki Educação Brasil
>>>> group, and that it immediately stops pursuing free-culture movements in
>>>> Brazil and in the world:
>>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
>>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar
>>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
>>>> de-usar-a-justi>
>>>>
>>>> I publish this letter still frightened, but already without fear and
>>>> confident that united we will overcome one more attack that threatens
>>>> not
>>>> only the Wikimedia movement, but the whole culture of free knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> "Imagine a world in which every person on the planet has free access to
>>>> the
>>>> sum of all human knowledge. That is what we are doing." Jimbo Wales
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Henrique de Andrade (User: HenriqueCrang)
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://wikibrasil.org
>>>>
>>>> [2]
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/
>>>> Events/Congresso_Científico_Brasileiro_da_Wikipédia/2016#
>>>> Tr.C3.AAs_d.C3.BAvidas
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/
>>>> Events/Congresso_Cient>
>>>>
>>>> [3]
>>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
>>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar
>>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
>>>> de-usar-a-justi>
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