The simple reply that a CC content is irrevocable shouldhave been enough to
deal with this (Unless GoDaddy got confused,)

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Asaf Bartov <asaf.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A message from your list moderators:
>
> This thread does not belong on this list.
>
> It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community,
> and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution
> through discussion on this list.  Those particularly interested and able
> can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.
>
> However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that
> can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective
> way to seek help.
>
> As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
> investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
> department at WMF -- as well as legal action.  Both avenues would not
> benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.
>
> The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki
> they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already
> pursuing.  Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything.
>
> Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*.  We have also placed the
> Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent
> further escalation.
>
> (putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both
> sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil.  WMF has not
> yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several
> alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)
>
>      A.
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never
> ends
> > in a "reconciliation".
> >
> > Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity
> mission.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > <
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> >
> > 2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
> > psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:
> >
> > > Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.
> > >
> > > I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the
> > mailing
> > > list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
> > > moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more
> suited
> > > place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal
> > > creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far
> as
> > > I'm concerned.
> > >
> > > You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an
> overview
> > > of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources
> > which
> > > let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and
> > > resources to do so.
> > >
> > > If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective
> as
> > > you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research
> > > project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project
> > > might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to
> > create
> > > and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews.
> > >
> > > I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up
> > in
> > > the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > mathieu
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit :
> > >
> > >> Ended up with out the links, sorry:
> > >> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
> > >> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
> > >> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24
> > >>
> > >> Chico Venancio
> > >>
> > >> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <chicocvenan...@gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
> > >>> lies.*
> > >>>
> > >>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site
> down*.[1]
> > >>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and
> Godaddy
> > >>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]
> > >>>
> > >>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil
> > >>> that
> > >>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
> > >>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of
> > another
> > >>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with
> > >>> either
> > >>> myself or João.
> > >>>
> > >>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
> > >>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not
> > >>> only
> > >>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
> > >>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
> > >>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not
> > >>> want
> > >>> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was
> > on
> > >>> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of
> Wiki
> > >>> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of
> > actually
> > >>> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user
> > >>> group,
> > >>> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
> > >>> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a
> > public
> > >>> facebook thread.
> > >>>
> > >>> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly
> > invalid
> > >>> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the
> co-authors
> > of
> > >>> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly
> > states
> > >>> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license
> > and
> > >>> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an
> affront
> > to
> > >>> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the
> > user
> > >>> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was
> > not
> > >>> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only
> > >>> makes
> > >>> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption
> of
> > >>> good
> > >>> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from
> the
> > >>> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,
> > >>>
> > >>> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,
> > >>>
> > >>> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade <
> > >>> henriquedeandr...@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>> :
> > >>>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to
> > write
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> story below.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted
> > >>>> down
> > >>>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA),
> > and
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a
> > >>>> "member"
> > >>>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses
> > the
> > >>>> username Joalpe.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email
> informing
> > >>>> me
> > >>>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from
> > >>>> Joalpe
> > >>>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I
> > >>>> CCBWIKI
> > >>>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper
> > which
> > >>>> he
> > >>>> is a co-author.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
> > >>>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying
> WMF
> > >>>> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading
> > >>>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In
> > the
> > >>>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu
> > >>>> Brazil
> > >>>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was
> > bothered
> > >>>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the
> site
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0
> > >>>> license.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two
> days
> > >>>> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the
> > Wiki
> > >>>> Edu
> > >>>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have
> > >>>> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for
> Research,
> > >>>> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São
> > Paulo
> > >>>> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the
> > texts
> > >>>> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of
> the
> > >>>> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish
> > it,
> > >>>> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies
> that
> > we
> > >>>> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to
> > CCBWIKI,
> > >>>> where it would have been originally published.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not
> > only
> > >>>> was
> > >>>> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons
> publication
> > >>>> could
> > >>>> not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his
> > name
> > >>>> did
> > >>>> not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author
> of
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> article did not register it correctly in the system, but when
> clicking
> > >>>> on
> > >>>> the file his name was in the credits correctly. Third: the published
> > >>>> content was exactly the one sent by the author David Fernando Levon
> > >>>> Alves
> > >>>> on August 29, 2016, and until the current unfortunate legal threat I
> > did
> > >>>> not even know of the existence of Intercom conference, where I now
> > know
> > >>>> that the same paper had been presented in September 9th.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And Joalpe knows all about it! Even on page that he links[2] in his
> > >>>> complaint saying that is proof of him having revoked our
> authorization
> > >>>> for
> > >>>> publication, he clearly says that he disallows the publication of
> the
> > >>>> paper
> > >>>> his is the main author, and that he would talk to the other author
> to
> > >>>> propose withdrawing the paper in question, and the chair of the
> event
> > >>>> promptly replied indicating that the dialogue should continue
> through
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> conference management system (it is worth noting that he said he
> would
> > >>>> like
> > >>>> to withdraw his work because he has never seen an academic
> conference
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> does not pay for the transfer and accommodations for all, an
> argument
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> does not make any sense to anyone that minimally knows the reality
> of
> > >>>> Brazilian academy).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The
> DMCA
> > >>>> notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted
> file
> > >>>> or
> > >>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would obviously
> > opt
> > >>>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal.
> But
> > >>>> within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour
> > >>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is
> worth
> > >>>> mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in the
> > >>>> domain
> > >>>> wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the
> previous
> > >>>> conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in
> > key
> > >>>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to
> the
> > >>>> very
> > >>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In order
> > to
> > >>>> request that the sites be republished.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety
> > and
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support
> > policies
> > >>>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the
> > >>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not
> > >>>> receive
> > >>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal
> implications
> > of
> > >>>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke with
> > >>>> groups
> > >>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded
> > that
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing
> > persecution.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had to
> > >>>> deal
> > >>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could
> not
> > >>>> do
> > >>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just
> > couldn’t
> > >>>> do
> > >>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be
> > >>>> something
> > >>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who
> > >>>> denounces
> > >>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is
> even
> > a
> > >>>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of ​​roses and I
> have
> > >>>> several times left and I stopped editing because of the bullying
> done
> > by
> > >>>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive
> > behavior
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all
> my
> > >>>> time
> > >>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from
> something I
> > >>>> did
> > >>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move
> the
> > >>>> largest university in Latin America into an international legal
> threat
> > >>>> against the movement he claims to be a part of. We need to stop it!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that
> he
> > >>>> leads
> > >>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach
> > >>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally
> > threaten
> > >>>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our
> > movement
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre
> > >>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible way
> > by
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> Wikimedia movement. A copyright troll should never receive grants,
> be
> > >>>> accepted in our spaces and have the right to speak on behalf of our
> > >>>> community!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In addition to measures within the Wikimedia community I also ask
> for
> > >>>> your
> > >>>> support to help with my defense of Joalpe's attack on the legal
> > world. I
> > >>>> call upon all advocates of free culture, freedom of knowledge and
> the
> > >>>> Wikimedia movement to endorse the following petition [3], addressed
> to
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> University of São Paulo, demanding that it immediately withdraw the
> > >>>> complaint of violation to the DMCA made against the Wiki Educação
> > Brasil
> > >>>> group, and that it immediately stops pursuing free-culture movements
> > in
> > >>>> Brazil and in the world:
> > >>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> > >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar
> > >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> > >>>> de-usar-a-justi>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I publish this letter still frightened, but already without fear and
> > >>>> confident that united we will overcome one more attack that
> threatens
> > >>>> not
> > >>>> only the Wikimedia movement, but the whole culture of free
> knowledge.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Imagine a world in which every person on the planet has free access
> > to
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> sum of all human knowledge. That is what we are doing." Jimbo Wales
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Henrique de Andrade (User: HenriqueCrang)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [1] http://wikibrasil.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [2]
> > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/
> > >>>> Events/Congresso_Científico_Brasileiro_da_Wikipédia/2016#
> > >>>> Tr.C3.AAs_d.C3.BAvidas
> > >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/
> > >>>> Events/Congresso_Cient>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [3]
> > >>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> > >>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar
> > >>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente-
> > >>>> de-usar-a-justi>
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