Then, if it's not a too big maintance burden, what about proposing both solution?

Our users already pay extremely huge loading time for some feature like visual editing, but the far faster wikitext editor is still there for those who are happier with that.

Le 24/11/2017 à 19:37, Tilman Bayer a écrit :
I think this is unlikely to happen, because of the performance degradation
(access via Tor will always be slower, which user studies
<> have shown to be a significant
usability issue in the past). But as an option or fallback or separate app
it might be a great idea; there is a Phabricator task at

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 12:35 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <>

Excellent! Still, as I argued before, I believe that a solution we could
use is defaulting to Tor channeling in our mobile app. Facebook offers it
as an option in partnership with Orbot - I believe we should do the same,
but default to it (so that people cannot be held responsible for making a
choice). For unlogged Wikipedia reading this solution is practically
transparent for users.

I've recently contacted the WMF with Orbot people and hope that at least we
can evaluate this approach as a possibility.


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On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 2:11 AM, Cristian Consonni <>

Hi all,

Some months ago, the idea of setting up an onion service for Wikimedia
projects was discussed on this list[1] and as a proposal in IdeaLab on

Today, Alec Muffett announced on Twitter[3] that he created «as an
experiment» a series of read-only mirrors of all the Wikimedia projects.
He will be running them for some time.

The service is reachable with a Tor-enabled browser at the following

If you want to try out the service, first visit the addresses listed in
this page and add exceptions for the SSL certificates:

(this is one of the limits of having a non-official service)

Alec Muffett is the author of the Enterprise Onion Toolkit (EOTK)[4], a
FLOSS project which "does for Onions what LetsEncrypt does for SSL",
that is providing a simple way to transform websites in Onion services
(which are accessible only and contained within the Tor network). Alec
used EOTK for creating this demo. He was also behind the onion service
for Facebook[5].

IMO this service, even with its current limitations, is quite awesome
and I am very happy to see it. It is exactly the kind of proof of
concept that I wanted to create with my proposal. So now there's that.




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*Ostatnie artykuły:*

    - Dariusz Jemielniak, Maciej Wilamowski (2017)  Cultural Diversity of
    Quality of Information on Wikipedias
    of the Association for Information Science and Technology* 68:  10.
    - Dariusz Jemielniak (2016)  Wikimedia Movement Governance: The Limits
    of A-Hierarchical Organization
    of Organizational Change Management *29:  3.  361-378.
    - Dariusz Jemielniak, Eduard Aibar (2016)  Bridging the Gap Between
    Wikipedia and Academia
    <> *Journal of the
    Association for Information Science and Technology* 67:  7.  1773-1776.
    - Dariusz Jemielniak (2016)  Breaking the Glass Ceiling on Wikipedia
    <> *Feminist
    Review *113:  1.  103-108.
    - Tadeusz Chełkowski, Peter Gloor, Dariusz Jemielniak (2016)
    in Open Source Software Development: Analysis of Contributor’s Commits
    Apache Software Foundation Projects
    , *PLoS ONE* 11:  4.  e0152976.
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