2017-11-29 23:45 GMT+02:00 Mathieu Stumpf Guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: > Now, what would be the additional cost of storing sources in > Wikidata? Well, zero cost. Actually, it's already here as the > "reference" attribute is part of the Wikibase item structure. So > attribution is not a problem, you don't have to put it in front of > your derived work, just look at a Wikipedia article: until you go to > history, you have zero attribution visible, and it's ok.
It's not the central point of this discussion, but I have to chime in here a bit: It's OK for me, and I guess that it's OK for you given that you're writing this, and I guess that it's OK for a lot of current Wikipedia editors because otherwise they probably wouldn't be editing. But it's not necessary OK for people who could be writing on Wikipedia and aren't writing. I specifically heard from several people who live in different countries and speak different languages that the absence of easily visilbe attribution is one reason why they don't want to contribute. Should this be changed?—that's a big and completely separate question. I just wanted to point out that it's not something that should be easily dismissed with "it's OK". It's not OK for everybody. I will also note, like some other people in this thread, that it's far better to discuss ideas than discuss people. In particular, there are no reasons to assume any bad intentions on Denny's part; Denny's involvement with Wikimedia began long before his move to Google, and his current Google affiliation is not a problem either. Other than that, I kind of agree with Mathieu's general point: CC-0 may be good for some things, but it's legitimate to question whether it should be forced as the ONLY license for all of Wikidata. The whole point of licenses is that they are enforceable and don't rely on the good will of any person, organization, or company. It's comparable to the current discussion about net neutrality in the U.S. (it is about U.S. law, but it's an issue that will likely affect the rest of the web): U.S. telecom companies commit to not use the lack of net neutrality to censor or throttle content, but sometimes it's better to have an enforceable law than a commitment that can be broken. CC-0 can be abused by other entities to hurt Wikimedia's goals—by omitting credit, by re-licensing to something restrictive and non-free, by copying to a more accessible medium (e.g. Google search results page) and censoring, etc. Copyleft can help prevent abuse, and it shouldn't actually make information considerably less accessible to anybody. (And the very necessary disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and I am a bit of a Free Software and Copyleft fanboy.) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>