Le 01/12/2017 à 05:51, John Erling Blad a écrit :
My reference was to in-place discussions at WMDE, not the open
meetings with Markus. Each week we had an open demo where Markus
usually attended. As I remember the May-discussion, it was just a
discussion in the office, there was a reference to an earlier meeting.
It is although easy to mix up old memories, so what happen first and
what happen next should not be taken to be facts. If Markus also says
the same it is although a reasonable chance we have got it right.
It's perfectly understandable that human memory limits arise here, I was
expecting such a response. Are they some minutes of this meetings? No
blame if that's not the case, Wikimedia DE for what I found already
release a large set of archives, including the IRC logs of the open
meeting organized each weeks. Simply if there is no trace of this, it's
really unfortunate that considerations for such a crucial decision fell
in oblivion while so many log are available for far less important
points in term of governance.
As to the questions about archives on open discussions with the
community. This was in April-May 2012. There was no community, there
were only concerned individuals.
Just as a side note if it wasn't clear, by community, I was talking
about the Wikimedia community at large. And if I don't make the
precision, you can assume that it's how it is supposed to be denoted in
The community started to emerge in August with the first attempts to
go public. On Wikidata_talk:Introduction there are some posts from 15.
August 2012, while first post on the subject page is from 30.
October. The stuff from before October comes from a copy-paste from
Meta. Note that Denny writes "The data in Wikidata is published
under a free license, allowing the reuse of the data in many different
scenarios." but Whittylama changes this to "The data in Wikidata is
free license], allowing the reuse of the data in many different
scenarios.", and at that point there were a community on an open
site and had been for a week. When Whittylama did his post it was the
4504th post on the site, so it was hardly the first! The license was
initially a CC-SA. I'm not quite sure when it was changed to CC0 in
the footer, but it seems to have happen before 31 October 2012, at
19:09. First post on Q1 is from 29. October 2012, this is one of
several items updated this evening.
It is quite enlightening to start at oldid=1  and stepping forward.
You will find that our present incarnation went live 25. October 2012.
So much for the "birthday". To ask for archived community discussions
before 25th October does not make sense, there were no site, and the
only people involved were mostly devs posting at Meta. Note for
example that the page Wikidata:Introduction is from Meta.
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