I wonder if creating dynamic articles from Wikidata is better than creating static articles. Because we lack tools for this, it is easier to do this offline, and as a consequence we get the static bot-articles.
Den søn. 25. feb. 2018, 16.26 skrev Gabriel Thullen <gabr...@thullen.com>: > I should have joined in this discussion a little earlier. I work a lot with > the French Wikipedia, and we do not just translate articles from English (6 > million articles) to French (only 2 million articles). The French community > is large and active, and provide a unique local perspective on the > different articles that are written. And when I say local, I mean that > things are seen differently in France than in the French speaking part of > Switzerland or Belgium. > > I think that we are ignoring something very important here: putting it > simply, Wikipedia contributors do two things. They add information to the > encyclopedia by improving articles or writing new ones, and they curate or > check the existing articles. All this talk about machine translation does > not address the second aspect of what the volunteer contributors do. > This means that we could have hundreds of thousands of articles in a > language with very few active contributors. Will that small community be > able to oversee so many articles ? > > For example, have a look at the list of Wikipedias ordered by number of > articles: > 1. English - 5,578,081 articles - 138,479 active users - 1,230 admins > 2. Cebuano - 5,383,108 articles - 162 active users - 5 admins > 3. Swedish - 3,784,331 articles - 2,929 active users - 65 admins > 4. German - 2,157,495 articles - 20, 085 active users - 194 admins > > When I have some time, I will look into different ratios like number or > articles/active users or number of articles/number of native language > speakers... Now I am not saying that our Swedish friends have abused > machine translation of articles, but I definetly that something is not > quite right about the Cebuano wiki... > Gabe > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Anders Wennersten < > m...@anderswennersten.se > > wrote: > > > I am very happy to follow this thread as I believe it is addressing a > very > > relevant issue. > > > > In my mind we can divide up the different language version into 5 > > categories: > > > > 1.Enwp, > > > > 2.the next 6-7 (de,fr, es,jp,pt,ru..) > > > > 3.the next 20 or so, where the basic workprocesses are applied > > > > 4.the next 40-50 which are struggling to generate more input then what is > > vandalised > > > > 5.the rest which in reality is no viable online encyclopedias > > > > And for me no 1 priority is to accept that there are these categories, > and > > that what is applicable for cat 1 and 2 is not so for 4 and 5. > > > > I believe the grant model could easily make room for subsiding good > > initiatives addressing the problem for cat 4 and 5 (and perhaps 3). > > > > And I think it is very presumptuous to start talking of what technique to > > use and things like translation. If we open up for creative brainstorming > > (among the ones having the need) I think very many other ways can turn > up. > > Myself I am deeply impressed what you can create using Wikidata as a base > > source of info, and being from a version of type 3 I see how much my > > homeversion improve content with wikidata created infoboxes > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > Den 2018-02-24 kl. 13:51, skrev John Erling Blad: > > > >> This discussion is going to be fun! =D > >> > >> A little more than seventy Wikipedia-projects has more than 65k > articles, > >> the remaining two hundred or so are pretty small. > >> > >> What if a base set of articles were opened for paid translators? There > are > >> several lists of such base sets. We have both the thousand articles from > >> "List of articles every Wikipedia should have" and and the ten > thousand > >> articles from the expanded list. > >> > >> Lets say verified good translators was paid about $0.01 per word (about > $1 > >> for a 1k-article) for translating one of those articles into another > >> language, with perhaps a higher pay for contributors in high-cost > >> countries. The pay would also have to be higher for languages that lacks > >> good translation tools. > >> > >> I believe this would be an _enabling_ activity for the communities, as > >> without a base set of articles it won't be possible to build a community > >> at > >> all. By not paying for new articles, and only translating > well-referenced > >> articles, some of the disputes in the communities could be avoided. > >> Perhaps > >> we should also identify good source articles, that would be a help. > >> Translated articles should be above some minimum size, but they does not > >> have to be full translations of the source article. > >> > >> A real problem is that our existing lists of good articles other > projects > >> should have is pretty much biased towards Western World, so they need a > >> lot > >> of adjustments. 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