I am not seeing any link to Facebook here?

https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeniyetm%C9%99_(roman)

James

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:14 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Ok, thank you. To my mind the main problem with that kind of practice
> pertain to the lake of Free-Libre-Archivable-Infrastructure-Rack (FLAIR)
> alternative along the proprietary platform. One problem with this platform,
> is that – as far as I know – we don't have comprehensive archives, let
> alone an archive policy. If tomorrow a proprietary platform decide to erase
> all data related to a group, as far as I know they can do so¹.
>
> Also, as I usually don't employ this services, so I don't know to which
> extend this groups can enforce a free license policy for everything
> published there. This plus terms of service, I have no idea how legal a
> problem it would be to dump this group discussions into a public archive.
>
> Anyway, would a FLAIR alternative be proposed, I would see no point in
> promoting the closed garden within Wikimedia projects, although bridges
> which automatically synchronize data flow on popular closed platforms would
> be still obviously important to maintain.
>
> Actually, even here I think that we should make a policy that submitting
> to our mailling list is conditioned by agreement that the posted material
> will be published under a free license.
>
> Cheers
>
> ¹ Let alone duty to keep a record of everything enforced by this or that
> law, the thing is that it can become offline instantly.
>
>
>
> Le 28/02/2018 à 21:32, Yaroslav Blanter a écrit :
>
>> At your service
>>
>> https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeniyetmə_(roman)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:26 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz <
>> psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:
>>
>> Saluton,
>>>
>>> Can we actually have a link to a page with a concrete example so we can
>>> judge this factually?
>>>
>>> Vikiame
>>>
>>> Le 28/02/2018 à 20:43, Asaf Bartov a écrit :
>>>
>>> Facebook is a de-facto major venue of communication for a great majority
>>>> of
>>>> Internet users.  Many communities, user groups, and chapters have some
>>>> kind
>>>> of formal presence on Facebook -- "groups" or "pages".  Directing
>>>> visitors
>>>> to your wiki to *your own wiki's* presence on this other major platform,
>>>> i.e. a direct link to your group/page on Facebook, is absolutely fine.
>>>> It
>>>> is *quite* different from, say, just linking to www.facebook.com or
>>>> explicitly endorsing it as a platform ("Join Facebook! It's great!") in
>>>> general.
>>>>
>>>> As you note, a number of communities have done or are doing this.
>>>> Especially for smaller communities, the impact of such link placement
>>>> can
>>>> be a significant driver of traffic (i.e. readers!) to your community
>>>> group/page on Facebook, which itself is important for outreach,
>>>> awareness,
>>>> and volunteer recruitment, and therefore is mission-aligned.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>      Asaf
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:06 AM Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@wikia-inc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Speaking only for myself, not as a member of the board, I don't know of
>>>>
>>>>> any legal or other reason why this should not be done.  I think we
>>>>> should be very careful about links or appearance of endorsement
>>>>> especially on article pages, but outreach to people in the world should
>>>>> take place wherever we find a willing and useful audience.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/18 6:29 AM, Minata Hatsune wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I know it based on local consensus, but what I mean here is: those
>>>>>> consensus valid for WMF Term of Use and others policies or not?
>>>>>> Because
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>> same with Wikipedia have linked with 3rd party, which is a commerical
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trần Nguyễn Minh Huy
>>>>>> Vietnamese Wikimedian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-02-28 18:52 GMT+09:00 James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO this is based on local community consensus. It is not a global
>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:14 AM, Minata Hatsune <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> minatahats...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello, I have a question: is it legal and valid for Wikipedia
>>>>>>> communities
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> put promotion links to their Facebook pages on public space as Main
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Page
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sitenotice?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see many of Wikimedia projects doing this, as Indonesia Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arabic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wikipedia, etc... Their Facebooks page also have blue checkmark of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Facebook
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as verified.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All what I concern is: Facebook is a commerical website, we put a
>>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "official" to them, will it same with Wikipedia biased for Facebook
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> violated the NPOV policy? And in finally: is it OK if other projects
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that? Vietnamese Wikipedia also have a discussion about sitenotice
>>>>>>>> promotion to Facebook at <
>>>>>>>> https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Th%E1%BA%A3o_lu%E1%
>>>>>>>> BA%ADn/Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_b%C3%A1_trang_Facebook_%22Wikipedia_
>>>>>>>> ti%E1%BA%BFng_Vi%E1%BB%87t%22
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> . If this is OK, I think we have no reason to reject it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trần Nguyễn Minh Huy
>>>>>>>> Vietnamese Wikimedian
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