I wonder if we could turn this to one learning pattern, from what went wrong at first place and what solution you propose to solve it. I think it would help a lot of projects if we could learn from each other's mistake.
Mardetanha On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com> wrote: > That’s very unexpected. I actually have been trying to talk with WMF plenty > of times and waiting and waiting for a word from you. Though you probably > received lots of emails from me and others, I don’t think I have a single > email from you guys about this in my inbox > > I have literally implored you to provide me and answer for a few cases > opened has been a while in order to have any instruction or advice on how > to act in many situations. But that never came. > > This is probably the first time I hear from you, Kirill, and I respectfully > disagree that one can consider that you did well on it. You just let it all > happen and watched this escalate without any help. We were working on our > mistakes, we were building our code of conduct, accepted mediation with > Millos and others, but the feeling is that we were totally alone on that. > Sadly, your actions were always directed to both groups as if you were > avoiding to take any side or decision, like you are doing now, taking a > general action and not addressing any issue specifically. > > I hope this change is for the best, but also hope that you can recognize > your own mistakes here as others from WMF did. Just like I don’t think we > did well every single moment and try to learn from it, you can’t really > believe that you did a good job here. If you do (and that is the impression > we have from your message), that is worrying. Then again, I hear from you, > after so much time of silence and what I hear is punishment. You can’t > probably think that you are being any educational on the matter. Sorry if > there is any harsh word above, but that is sincerely unintentional. > > Have a good day. > > Teles > > > Em dom, 8 de abr de 2018 às 16:32, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> > escreveu: > > > Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected. > > I hope some new group will arise from these ruins. > > > > Vito > > > > 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin <kirill.loks...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic > > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent > > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the > Wikimedia > > > mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia > > > affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, > > which > > > are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic > organization, > > > or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia > User > > > Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging > in > > > activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations > or > > > Wikimedia projects. > > > > > > As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in > > > Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education > Brazil > > — > > > have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has > resulted > > > in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement > > > activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the > conflict > > > have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to > > > withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates. > > > > > > Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil > > and > > > Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and > the > > > Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally > > > terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as > practicable. > > > Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts > for > > > these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts > for > > > any user group application or existing user group for a period of one > > year. > > > > > > The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and > > > unfortunate development. 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