"Imagine a world, where all windows installations have turned off their
antivirus protection"!

Regards,
Thyge

Den man. 7. maj 2018 kl. 17.09 skrev Shlomi Fish <shlo...@shlomifish.org>:

> Hi Gabriel,
>
> On Mon, 7 May 2018 14:02:44 +0100
> Gabriel Thullen <gabr...@thullen.com> wrote:
>
> > I am also a Linux advocate, and have been so for years (decades?). That
> > been said, I imagine that there are still more people using Windows XP
> than
> > there are people using Linux. Last time I checked (october 2017) it was
> > something like 5% using XP and less than 1% using linux, all distros
> > included. We can safely predict that virus outvreaks will be a problem
> for
> > linux once it reaches 5% or 10% market share...
> >
>
> Most linux viruses have never outbroke and never caused much harm. Linux
> can be
> susceptible to other forms of malware such as worms or rootkits, but it
> hasyet
> to exhibit a large scale virus epidemic and it isnt because it wasn't
> tried.
> Linux is an attractive target because many servers run on it. See also
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+viruses&ia=web
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi
>
> > Gabe
> >
> > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Shabab Mustafa <shabab.must...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have been a Linux advocate for almost a decade now and from 'my past
> > > experience', I can tell you have opened a topic of a huge discussion
> about
> > > people should switch to Linux Desktops (which is off-topic here). But I
> > > respectfully disagree with your statement, "anti-virus programs
> usually do
> > > more harm than good".
> > >
> > > From a conservative viewpoint, some protection is still better to have
> than
> > > no protection at all. And the example you gave here, an anti-virus
> > > mistakenly classified your domain as a potential threat, makes a weaker
> > > point. By a few mistakes, we cannot cancel out a million of other
> > > successes. A false alarm is yet favourable than no alarm at all.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Shabab Mustafa
> > > President
> > > Wikimedia Bangladesh
> > >
> > > ​
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 5:56 PM Shlomi Fish <shlo...@shlomifish.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 3 May 2018 19:27:16 -0500
> > > > John Bennett <jbenn...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > Many of you may have been receiving emails in the last 24 hours
> > > > > warning
> > > > you
> > > > > of "Multiple failed attempts to log in" with your account. I
> wanted to
> > > > let
> > > > > you know that the Wikimedia Foundation's Security team is aware of
> the
> > > > > situation, and working with others in the organization on steps
> to
> > > > decrease
> > > > > the success of attacks like these.
> > > > >
> > > > > The exact source is not yet known, but it is not originating from
> our
> > > > > systems. That means it is an external effort to gain unauthorized
> > > access
> > > > to
> > > > > random accounts. These types of efforts are increasingly common for
> > > > > websites of our reach. A vast majority of these attempts have been
> > > > > unsuccessful, and we are reaching out personally to the small
> number of
> > > > > accounts which we believe have been compromised.
> > > > >
> > > > > While we are constantly looking at improvements to our security
> > > > > systems
> > > > and
> > > > > processes to offset the impact of malicious efforts such as these,
> the
> > > > best
> > > > > method of prevention continues to be the steps each of you take to
> > > > > safeguard your accounts. Because of this, we have taken steps in
> the
> > > past
> > > > > to support things like stronger password requirements,[1] and we
> > > continue
> > > > > to encourage everyone to take some routine steps to maintain a
> secure
> > > > > computer and account. That includes regularly changing your
> > > passwords,[2]
> > > > > actively running antivirus software on your systems, and keeping
> your
> > > > > system software up to date.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > From my experience, anti-virus programs usually do more harm than
> good.
> > > For
> > > > example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_AntiVirus recently
> blocked
> > > > my
> > > > entire shlomifish.org domain because it apparently misclassified an
> > > > executable
> > > > download as problematic (and it was built from source using
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMake and
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppVeyor
> > > > so it is unlikely that that is the case.). MS Windows' poor
> resistance to
> > > > malware and the fact that Windows Update is so dysfunctional (see
> > > > http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/Windows-Update/ ) are
> the
> > > > reasons
> > > > why I cannot recommend running it as a desktop, and instead one
> should
> > > use
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Desktop - desktop linux or
> similar.
> > > >
> > > > A little off topic perhaps, but needs to be said.
> > > >
> > > > > My team will continue to investigate this incident, and report
> back if
> > > we
> > > > > notice any concerning changes. If you have any questions, please
> > > contact
> > > > > the Support and Safety team (susa{{@}}wikimedia.org).
> > > > >
> > > > > John Bennett
> > > > > Director of Security, Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Password_strength_requirements
> > > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ChangePassword
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