Hi Mathieu, Rob, Denny, and Wikidatans, I'm writing to inquire about further Wikidata CC licensing clarifications.
Wikidata may be heading to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ which allows for a) sharing b) adapting and even c) commercially MIT OCW uses, by way of comparison, https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/ which allows for a) sharing b) adapting but c) non-commercially At a Wikimedia conference in early 2017, with Lydia and Dario present, I think I learned that all books / WikiCitations in all 301 of Wikipedia languages could be licensed, or heading to be licensed, with CC-0 licensing - https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/cc0/ - and per - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728 - which would allow them to be data sources for online bookstores even. Is this the case. Could some of Wikidata's data be licensed with CC-SA-4 ( https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/) and other data be licensed with CC-0? Thanks. Cheers, Scott On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Rob Speer <r...@luminoso.com> wrote: > > As always, copyright is predatory. As we can prove that copyright is the > enemy of science and knowledge > > Well, this kind of gets to the heart of the issue, doesn't it. > > I support the Creative Commons license, including the share-alike term, > which requires copyright in order to work, and I've contributed to multiple > Wikimedia projects with the understanding that my work would be protected > by CC-By-SA. > > Wikidata is engaged in a project-wide act of disobedience against CC-By-SA. > I would say that GerardM has provided an excellent summary of the attitude > toward Creative Commons that I've encountered on Wikidata: "it's holding us > back", "it's the enemy", "you can't copyright knowledge", "you can't make > us follow it", etc. > > The result of this, by the way, is that commercial entities sell modified > versions of Wikidata with impunity. It undermines the terms of other > resources such as DBPedia, which also contains facts extracted from > Wikipedia and respects its Share-Alike terms. Why would anyone use DBPedia > and have to agree to share alike, when they can get similar data from > Wikidata which promises them it's CC-0? > > On Wed, 16 May 2018 at 21:43 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Thank you for the overly broad misrepresentation. As always, copyright is > > predatory. As we can prove that copyright is the enemy of science and > > knowledge we should not be upset that *copyright *is abused we should > > welcome it as it proves the point. Also when we use texts from everywhere > > and rephrase it in Wikipedia articles "we" are not lily white either. > > > > In "them old days" generally we felt that when people would use > Wikipedia, > > it would only serve our purpose; share the sum of all knowledge. I still > > feel really good about that. And, it has been shown that what we do; > > maintain / curate / update that data that it is not easily given to do as > > well as "we" do it. > > > > When we are to be more precise with our copyright, there are a few things > > we could do to make copyright more transparent. When data is to be > uploaded > > (Commons / Wikipedia or Wikidata) we should use a user that is OWNED and > > operated by the copyright holder. The operation may be by proxy and as a > > consequence there is no longer a question about copyright as the > copyright > > holder can do as we wants. This makes any future noises just that, > > annoying. > > > > As to copyright on Wikidata, when you consider copyright using data from > > Wikipedia. The question is: "What Wikipedia" I have copied a lot of data > > from several Wikipedias and believe me, from a quality point of view > there > > is much to be gained by using Wikidata as an instrument for good because > it > > is really strong in identifying friends and false friends. It is superior > > as a tool for disambiguation. > > > > About the copyright on data, the overriding question with data is: do you > > copy data wholesale in Wikidata. That is what a database copyright is > > about. As I wrote on my blog [1], the best data to include is data that > is > > corroborated by the fact that it is present in multiple sources. This > > negates the notion of a single source, it also underscores that much of > the > > data everywhere is replicated a lot. It also underscores, again, the > notion > > that data that is only present in single sources is what needs attention. > > It needs tender loving care, it needs other sources to establish > > credentials. That is in its own right what makes any claim of copyright > > moot. It is in this process that it becomes a "creative" process negating > > the copyright held on databases. > > > > I welcome the attention that is given to copyright in Wikidata. However > our > > attention to copyright is predatory in two ways. It is how can we get > > around existing copyright and how can we protect our own. As argued, > > Wikidata shines when it is used for what it is intended to be; the place > > that brings data, of Wikipedias first and elsewhere second, together to > be > > used as a repository of quality, open and linked data. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > [1] > > > > https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2018/05/wikidata- > copyright-and-linked-data.html > > > > On 11 May 2018 at 23:10, Rob Speer <r...@luminoso.com> wrote: > > > > > Wow, thanks for the heads up. When I was getting upset about projects > > that > > > change the license on Wikimedia content and commercialize it, I had no > > idea > > > that Wikidata was providing them the cover to do so. The Creative > Commons > > > violation is coming from inside the house! > > > > > > On Tue, 8 May 2018 at 03:48 mathieu stumpf guntz < > > > psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello everybody, > > > > > > > > There is a phabricator ticket on Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata > > > > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728> that you might be > > interested > > > > to look at and participate in. > > > > > > > > As Denny suggested in the ticket to give it more visibility through > the > > > > discussion on the Wikidata chat > > > > < > > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat# > > > Importing_datasets_under_incompatible_licenses>, > > > > > > > > I thought it was interesting to highlight it a bit more. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- -- - Scott MacLeod - Founder & President - https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch - World University and School - http://worlduniversityandschool.org - http://scottmacleod.com - CC World University and School - like CC Wikipedia with best STEM-centric CC OpenCourseWare - incorporated as a nonprofit university and school in California, and is a U.S. 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational organization. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
