Thank you Asaf. This seems to be a mixture of ppl mgmt and org skills, shifted heavily towards the latter. The last time I was at wmcon was 2014 [1] when this was bearly a topic at all, only touched it here and there a bit, when it was inevitable.
Good to see the progress on this. Hi Mike, perhaps in the future one could undergo such a review before a crisis happens. Like a medical checkup, not yearly thoufh, but say every 3-5 years to prevent/treat in early stage such events. So far all governance reviews (including this) were responses to a collapse. [1] https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014 Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> ezt írta (2018. július 12., csütörtök): > Nominally, the WMF is going to be the next Wikimedia organisation to do a > governance review, as per: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_recommendations/2015-2016_ > round_2#Wikimedia_Foundation > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2017-11-17, > 18,19#Governance_Review > > Thanks, > Mike > > > On 11 Jul 2018, at 02:36, Balázs Viczián <balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu> > wrote: > > > > This report is pretty useful in terms of comparing my chapter's policies > to > > this. Probably some fine tuning will follow. Thank you for sharing! > > > > Note the pattern: UK, Germany, France, all 'big' chapters. My guess is > that > > the next one will very likely to be another 'large' chapter (100+ > members, > > multiple employees, many paralel projects etc) > > > > As the report says very few has at least some experience in running > > organizations (true worldwide) so no suprise such events happen every few > > years, not to say those that stay 'local'. > > > > Just having 50-100-150k edits is not enough to be a 'boss' > > > > Would love to see people management skills workshops, and organizational > > skills (logistics) workshops...but I attend an event only every 2-3 years > > (or less), so this is just an almost silent suggestion :) > > > > Balazs > > > > 2018. júl. 10. 7:44 ezt írta ("Alphos OGame" <alphos.og...@gmail.com>): > > > > Forgive my (usual ?) bluntness, but I don't think congratulations are in > > order for undertaking the governance review ;-) > > > > As a member and unwilling observer, I can tell you it was dearly needed, > be > > it by internal or external auditors, and mandated by the WMF. > > > > However, as a long time member of the community and of Wikimedia France, > I > > do salute the effort of publishing the results of the review, as the > > previous board of directors probably wouldn't have wanted to publish > > anything critical of their method of governance ; and the review covers > > both old and more recent times. > > That indeed deserves credit, so thank you Nadine ! > > > > @ Cornelius : smart thinking on your part, collecting them in one place. > I > > hope there won't be any more crisis requiring a governance review in one > of > > our chapters, but in any case it will be interesting for all chapters to > > know what to avoid in the future, and where to look for it, so thank you > as > > well. > > > > Roger / Alphos > > > > > > > >> Le 9 juil. 2018 à 13:44, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> a > > écrit : > >> > >> Congratulations to Wikimedia France for undertaking this review and > >> publishing the results. > >> > >> I believe all of the 3 governance reviews are important reading for > >> anyone involved with the WMF or any of the affiliates, and all have > >> important lessons for the movement. It's interesting to note that this > >> is the first one that touches on the WMF-affiliate relationship in > >> much detail. > >> > >> Also - while so far governance reviews have only happened as a result > >> of a crisis, this doesn't have to be the case! I would urge Wikimedia > >> affiliates to take external advice on their governance, the > >> suggestions offered by governance experts who know the laws, norms and > >> cutlure in which you operate will be very helpful for you. > >> > >> Chris > >> (who was Chair of Wikimedia UK at the point we had a governance > review...) > >>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:43 PM Nadine Le Lirzin < > nlelir...@wikimedia.fr> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> As announced last month on this list[1], the Governance Assessment > Report > >>> by external auditors "Associés en gouvernance" has been published, and > we > >>> want to share it with you. > >>> > >>> The auditors did a great work, first in their rather good understanding > > of > >>> our movement complexity, and then in the numerous improvement > suggestions > >>> they delivered. > >>> > >>> The consultation of our members – to fully associate them to the > > rebuilding > >>> – is still in progress. Main changes will be submitted to a vote at > next > >>> General Assembly, by the end of the year. > >>> > >>> The document has been translated in English and is now available on > >>> Commons[2]. > >>> > >>> May these suggestions be useful not only for Wikimédia France, but also > > for > >>> any other chapter or affiliate that would be in need of governance > advice > >>> or ideas. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Nadine Le Lirzin > >>> *Wikimedia France Board Secretary* > >>> > >>> > >>> [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018- > > June/090413.html > >>> [2] > >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_France_-_ > > Governance_Assessment_Report_-_2018.pdf > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
