There is a detailed and factual post released today on Medium about
how poor a reader experience Medium is for blog posts, due to
tracking, profiling and banner advertising.[1]

For those that recall discussion in response to the WMF choice of
Facebook and Medium to communicate the report from George Oates last
month, this seems a decently factual summary of some of the reasons
why this is a poor practical choice for comms, as well as an ethical
issue when calmly measured against our open movement values.

The conclusion should ring alarm bells for any WMF staffer with
responsibility for Communications and is still tempted to promote
Medium by posting or cross-posting there, or indeed any other platform
which uses the same commercial techniques:
"Basically, you’re selling readers to aggressive Medium
self-advertising so that Medium could make laughably small money from
a miserable fraction of them. And annoy the hell out of everyone
else."

Links:
1. 
https://medium.com/@nikitonsky/medium-is-a-poor-choice-for-blogging-bb0048d19133

Thanks,
Fae
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 15:33, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, no learning points from this expensive feedback, cost measured in 
> volunteer time and damage to good will from the most active and committed 
> volunteers.
>
> Sorry, do not expect me to believe in future political statements of values 
> and ethics from the WMF, when they are thrown away at any slight 
> inconvenience.
>
> Fae
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2018, 15:23 Sandra Fauconnier via Commons-l, 
> <common...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I did indeed include the link to the Village Pump discussion in my original 
>> post, but not in the best or most visible/encouraging way. My apologies. 
>> It's not at all my intention to force anyone to use a platform they don't 
>> like, and I apologize again if I gave that impression.
>>
>> Many people in our communities discuss very actively and constructively on 
>> Facebook, and increasingly on Telegram, and probably on quite a few other 
>> platforms that may or may not be aligned with our values as much as we would 
>> like. As a long-time Wikimedian in my free time, I'm a strong open source 
>> and OpenGLAM advocate and fan, but I will be the first to admit I'm not a 
>> purist, I do indeed use Facebook and a few of these other Evil Places, and I 
>> don't mind tracking (and pointing to) conversations happening elsewhere. I 
>> do feel conflicted about this (like about many other things in that 
>> complicated thing called life) but I give priority to hearing more voices 
>> here.
>>
>> The interview is indeed intended as a 'fresh' perspective from an informed 
>> outsider. While we may not agree with everything George says, hopefully 
>> there are nuggets of interesting feedback that we can use to our benefit. 
>> This is not meant to replace the community's ideas, needs and vision at all. 
>> It's additional to it.
>>
>> Cheers, Sandra
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM Steinsplitter Wiki via Commons-l 
>> <common...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >>I'm sure we can find a suitable place to discuss this on-wiki, and there 
>>> >>should be an appropriate link for that.
>>>
>>>
>>> I see Sara posted it on the VP as well: 
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Blog_post:_interview_with_George_Oates_about_Wikimedia_Commons
>>>
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> >>As for the actual topic of the interview, I am glad to see an outside 
>>> >>opinion from someone who has experience with large, community-driven 
>>> >>media repositories. I might not agree with all the sentiments, and 
>>> >>structured data and out Next Big Thing did not exactly feature 
>>> >>prominently, but I find it refreshing to leave the echo chamber once in a 
>>> >>while.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is true as well.
>>>
>>> BTW: If my initial post sounded a bit rude, please excuse for that.
>>>
>>> --Steinsplitter
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> Von: Commons-l <commons-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> im Auftrag von 
>>> Magnus Manske via Commons-l <common...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2018 15:43
>>> An: Walter Siegmund; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
>>> Betreff: Re: [Commons-l] new blog post: interview with designer George 
>>> Oates about Wikimedia Commons
>>>
>>> Some quick thoughts from me.
>>>
>>> I, too, find the Facebook/Medium discussion reroute unfortunate (I'm not 
>>> even on Facebook), though it might help attract some more newcomers. I'm 
>>> sure we can find a suitable place to discuss this on-wiki, and there should 
>>> be an appropriate link for that.
>>>
>>> As for the actual topic of the interview, I am glad to see an outside 
>>> opinion from someone who has experience with large, community-driven media 
>>> repositories. I might not agree with all the sentiments, and structured 
>>> data and out Next Big Thing did not exactly feature prominently, but I find 
>>> it refreshing to leave the echo chamber once in a while.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Magnus
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:23 PM Walter Siegmund via Commons-l 
>>> <common...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why should we Commons contributors participate in a discussion on Facebook, 
>>> a corporation that has generated great wealth for its founder by 
>>> distributing advertising that includes democracy-destroying and hate-filled 
>>> propaganda? It is antithetical to the principles of most of our 
>>> participants. I’m profoundly disappointed that a discussion on Facebook 
>>> would be promoted by the office of GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia 
>>> Foundation.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Walter
>>>
>>> > On Oct 31, 2018, at 6:41 AM, Gnangarra via Commons-l 
>>> > <common...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I too dislike the idea of having to pay to contribute to a discussion 
>>> > about Wikimedia Commons.  I also see some irony in advice from a platform 
>>> > that being generous can be described as having lost its way many years 
>>> > ago, yes we can learn from the mistakes of others. As others have said 
>>> > collectively we are capable of amazing things, we are doing something 
>>> > special as we look forward we mustn't lose sight what our purpose is and 
>>> > our goals are.
>>> >
>>> > Dont forget https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data 
>>> > will have impact so much of what is spoken about wont be relevant
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 21:15, Iván Hernández Cazorla via Commons-l 
>>> > <common...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>> > On 31/10/18 13:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) via Commons-l wrote:
>>> > > Sandra Fauconnier via Commons-l, 31/10/2018 10:58:
>>> > >> Medium, where you can leave comments:
>>> > >
>>> > > It's truly terrible if we're now outsourcing comments to an external
>>> > > proprietary platform.
>>> >
>>> > Totally agree with both of you, Federico and Fae.
>>> >
>>> > I don't understand the outsourcing of comments nor the promotion from
>>> > the Wikimedia Foundation of services as Facebook.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Iván
>>> > --
>>> > Iván Hernández Cazorla
>>> > Historiador e interesado en las humanidades digitales
>>> > Miembro de Wikimedia España
>>> > https://ivanhercaz.com | https://keybase.io/ivanhercaz
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>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > GN.
>>> > Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page
>>> > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
>>> > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com
>>> > Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), Never Again: 
>>> > Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8, UWAP, 2017.  
>>> > Order here.
>>> >
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