If I could share my vision, I am not part of the group of "expert flagged users"(I have some flags here and there, I was asked to get more but I have no rush) and I am not part of the group of "expert outreach users" (I make events but change them so often I do not play any specific role). Surprisingly, I never had any problem so far with Commons. Some unnecessary excess, but limited and mostly immediately showed to newbies as an example. Obviously, there is no way I sugar coat them, it's part of being a honest teacher to show these aspects and they are not cow to milk. I guess it works probably because my approach is far from those that I see here on both side.
The people who patrol (or have similar functions) show often limited interested in a functional working environment. Their approach is in my opinion one of the cause of the backlog, not a consequence. I could make you a long detailed list right now about that. On the other side, people who do outreach push too much for results with lmited understanding of the ecosystem they ask students to interact. I have met people who ask for "button men" at their initiatives with poor regard for the real expertise, often overselling what they do. it's not nice to be treated superficially when you try to explain why a certain topic is not relevant or why sending a ticket is appropriate for a certain image. If you are too focused on "your stuff", I wouldn't be surprised if you don't care for a functional working environment as well. You just expect someone else to build it for you. That being said, that there are many small ways to improve the situation, not even complicated ones, and they can act as a catalysts on the long term but they don't come for free or because "WMF does stuff" or because there are patient users who build them step by step in the dark. They could, if you are lucky, but probably in this scenario they will also start from from your self-criticism. if you can spot such attitude in these mails, there's hope. Otherwise, it's probably going to be the same for some time. BTW, glad to be proven wrong. have a nice wiki A.M. Il lunedì 13 maggio 2019, 14:27:01 CEST, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> ha scritto: Some years ago I did a quite simplified analysis of the number of active contributors, and normalized the number against the number of people wit internet connections for the respective language groups. The relative number was pretty similar for all languages from similar cultural groups. I suspect that for a given group, or project, there is a limit on the relative number of contributors and we can't get above it without changing the project somehow. Another indication that there is a "crowdsource constant" is the trend themselves on contributors at the individual projects, they have been stable (or near stable) for a very long time. (Yes they drop somewhat, I know that!) On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:09 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > A good question to ask would be why the admin group is not growing. And maybe > (maybe) we can find a common answer to both problems pointed here. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>