If I could share my vision, I am not part of the group of "expert flagged
users"(I have some flags here and there, I was asked to get more but I have no
rush) and I am not part of the group of "expert outreach users" (I make events
but change them so often I do not play any specific role). Surprisingly, I
never had any problem so far with Commons. Some unnecessary excess, but limited
and mostly immediately showed to newbies as an example. Obviously, there is no
way I sugar coat them, it's part of being a honest teacher to show these
aspects and they are not cow to milk. I guess it works probably because my
approach is far from those that I see here on both side.
The people who patrol (or have similar functions) show often limited interested
in a functional working environment. Their approach is in my opinion one of the
cause of the backlog, not a consequence. I could make you a long detailed list
right now about that.
On the other side, people who do outreach push too much for results with lmited
understanding of the ecosystem they ask students to interact. I have met people
who ask for "button men" at their initiatives with poor regard for the real
expertise, often overselling what they do. it's not nice to be treated
superficially when you try to explain why a certain topic is not relevant or
why sending a ticket is appropriate for a certain image. If you are too focused
on "your stuff", I wouldn't be surprised if you don't care for a functional
working environment as well. You just expect someone else to build it for you.
That being said, that there are many small ways to improve the situation, not
even complicated ones, and they can act as a catalysts on the long term but
they don't come for free or because "WMF does stuff" or because there are
patient users who build them step by step in the dark. They could, if you are
lucky, but probably in this scenario they will also start from from your
self-criticism.
if you can spot such attitude in these mails, there's hope. Otherwise, it's
probably going to be the same for some time.
BTW, glad to be proven wrong.
have a nice wiki
A.M.
Il lunedì 13 maggio 2019, 14:27:01 CEST, John Erling Blad
<jeb...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Some years ago I did a quite simplified analysis of the number of
active contributors, and normalized the number against the number of
people wit internet connections for the respective language groups.
The relative number was pretty similar for all languages from similar
cultural groups. I suspect that for a given group, or project, there
is a limit on the relative number of contributors and we can't get
above it without changing the project somehow. Another indication that
there is a "crowdsource constant" is the trend themselves on
contributors at the individual projects, they have been stable (or
near stable) for a very long time. (Yes they drop somewhat, I know
that!)
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:09 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
<galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A good question to ask would be why the admin group is not growing. And maybe
> (maybe) we can find a common answer to both problems pointed here.
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