Agree that a further collaboration with internet archives on this could be
an excellent solution as I imagine they already do much of it.

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 21:13 Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dearests.
>
> The archival question is a good one. The wikiverse could use a more
> archival gloss, and currently regularly breaks links where a slight
> commitment to longer term reliably would preserve them intact. Nathan: long
> term preservation is not yet part of the projects' raison d'etre. Perhaps
> it should be.
>
> For instance sep11.wikipedia.org doesn't redirect where it should. We may
> not even still have an archival dump online. Deleted articles and their
> revs are no longer targetable by links, not even with redaction (like an
> oversighted rev in a rev list), making for ephemeralinks.
>
> A better phrasing might be: how are archives made and maintained, where are
> full copies of each project, is there any overview of how this is working?
> & How can interested parties add to the mirror count of a project?
>
> IA and IPFS each mirror some things. I don't know of any full-wikimedia
> mirror that includes all projects and files, and while there may be an
> internal mirror including all private userdata, I don't believe there is
> one offsite -- a delicate kind of mirroring that calls for some thought.
>
> SJ
>
> On Tue., May 14, 2019, 6:03 p.m. Nathan, <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The Internet Archive, incidentally, already seems to maintain copies of
> > Wikimedia projects. I don't know to what degree of fidelity.
> Additionally,
> > the WMF's core deliverable is already to provide and sustain access to
> its
> > projects. It has an endowment for that purpose already. Other websites
> and
> > media that might have ephemeral access due to their nature as short-term
> > tools need the IA to be preserved, but the WMF's projects seem to occupy
> a
> > different space. It's sort of like asking if the Library of Congress
> needs
> > to invest in some external project to preserve and organize its
> > collections. No, that is its actual raison d'etre.
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