In 2009 Creative Commons published "Defining Noncommercial", a 250-page report presenting survey data on what people consider to be "noncommercial". There is a copy of the report at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_NonCommercial_license
My summary of that report is that no one knows or cares what noncommercial means, except that it is better than completely closed but still should not be called free or open media. the majority of media using any CC license has an NC license. Creative Commons advises that they do not know how to define "noncommercial", and neither does anyone else. No one has any intent to clarify the situation. Creators and consumers demand the ambiguity as a feature. In practice, content creators imagine whatever they like when they apply the license to their work, and remixers imagine whatever they like when they reuse the work. The differences in imagination never get reconciled or checked, and typically no one cares. There is no organization anywhere which has ever given a reasonable or thoughtful explanation for why they use NC licenses, where their concept matches any common understanding of what an NC license actually does. Creative Commons calls NC licenses "non-free", which I think is a great place to start any conversation about them. If anyone knows of an reasonable essay or statement justifying the use of these licenses then please share on the article's talk page. On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 6:17 AM James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our movement > that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow > commercial reuse. > > By the way EN WP also allows fair use of certain images which may not > permit commercial reuse in certain jurisdictions. > > James > > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:48 AM Mister Thrapostibongles < > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yury > > > > I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Firstly, this isn't the right > venue > > for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing, > > especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that > permit > > commercial reuse. And secondly, there's nothing to prevent a rights > owner > > from granting a full/libre licence if they want to for the works they > own: > > so why would one need to advocate for it, here or anywhere else? > > > > Thrapostibongles > > > > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:42 AM Yury Bulka < > > setthemf...@privacyrequired.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > Just stumbled upon an page where Swiss collecting society SUISA lists > > > things which they consider commercial use within CC NC licenses, as > > > applied to works they have copyright on (delegated from authors who are > > > their members). It's quite interesting and I think it is a very good > > > example for advocating for fully free/libre licensing of works. > > > > > > Here's the page: > > > > > > > > > https://www.suisa.ch/en/members/authors/how-to-register-a-work/creative-commons.html > > > > > > The list of uses that they consider commercial use is quite > > > interesting. For instance, it includes things like: > > > > > > - involving a counterpart, of a financial or other nature, regardless > of > > > the beneficiary, title or grounds; > > > - in exchange for other goods, whether or not the exchange generates > > > direct or indirect revenues or gives rise to a payment of any nature > > > whatsoever; > > > - at places of work; > > > > > > Best, > > > Yury. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 l...@bluerasberry.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
