Hoi, For me it is not about Fram, it is about who you are as a community how you rate as friendly cooperative inviting. At that Wikipedia sucks and as it says in the book Max Havelaar, "Barbertje moet hangen". This case is a clear sign that not everything can be said and done and that there is no entitlement in this. That point is now made. Nobody is above the law, particularly admin and other people in "high ofice".
There is a reason why I hardly edit Wikipedia and it is because I feel not at home with all the aggression used in stead of arguments. Thanks, GerardM On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 at 00:47, George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the legalities are distracting, but to be more on point and blunt: > > Wikipedia is a volunteer organization. > > Wikimedia Foundation is the professional support arm of in some ways the > world's largest collection of similar goal volunteer organizations. > > Volunteer organizations happen because volunteers volunteer their time and > interest. Things get done either because they think it's important, or > they're willing to contribute some fraction of their total effort to things > the community as a whole agrees need doing. > > Whether there's any legality involved or not, doing something that > immediately alienates a large portion of the most dedicated most > experienced volunteer base of the English language Wikipedia is ... at best > misguided, at worst horrifically counterproductive for the goals and long > term survival of the Wikimedia Foundation. > > I'm not going far out on a limb speculating that S&T did this because they > felt they could, felt they should, and felt it was not going to cause > widespread outrage and pushback. > > Pushback is clear and shiningly evident now. The reasoning why they should > has been challenged, based on the public statements, and is at the very > least challenged and in doubt. > > > The Foundation damaging volunteer interest in the projects this profoundly > is not a minor glitch. > > > -george > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 3:35 PM Thomas Townsend <homesec1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 18:39, Dan Rosenthal <swatjes...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > There is no "very basic principle of Human Rights and dignity" to be > free > > > from the presumption of guilt by others. You may be confusing Article > 11 > > > of the UHDR, but this applies explicitly only to "penal offenses." > > Unless > > > Fram is getting locked up in prison for his actions, let's drop the > > absurd > > > hyperbole that this is somehow a human rights violation. > > > > > > The Foundation has explicitly stated at > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/advocacy/ that > > "everyone has the right to seek and share knowledge." and at > > > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/05/23/wikimedia-foundation-petitions-the-european-court-of-human-rights-to-lift-the-block-of-wikipedia-in-turkey/ > > that the ability to contribute to Wikipedia is a matter for the > > European Court of Human Rights. > > > > So it seems that Dan is incorrect -- this *is* a human rights matter. > > All the more reason, then, to have it supervised by the competent > > professionals of the Foundation. > > > > The Turnip > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > -george william herbert > george.herb...@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>