Hi Natacha

I am not sure this thread is about whether T&S action was in order or not.

Aside the recent WP:FRAM, I am not aware of a single instance where T&S
action's was criticized largely by the community or those you described as
official representative of movement/chapters. Most opinion expressed at
WP:FRAM are mere speculations and relies entirely on what  Fram thought
might be the reason for their ban.

That being said, some members of the community who are familiar with
Romaine's past works considered them valuable to our movement and I think
that should be respected. Interpreting their comments as endorsement of the
behaviour that led to T&S's action and criticising official representative
of chapters who pen down a farewell note is inappropriate.

Romaine, there are other ways to volunteer and as you may already be aware,
you don't have to attend Wikimedia events to add value to our movement.
There are plenty of ways to make a difference. Personally, I appreciate
your on-wiki works and I hope you will continue the good works. But if you
want to quit contributing altogether, I wish you all the best in your
future endeavor.

Good luck.

Isaac


On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 6:57 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:

> First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I
> personnally find that the actions of  Trust& Safety  very valuable and
> wise. I totally support and trust their judgement.
>
> I am tired of seing their work criticized, and do not appreciate official
> chapter representants and employees publicly supporting alleged offenders,
> showing no aknowledgement of the fact that this is very toxic for alleged
> victims, and does not help to change attitude towards issues of
> harrassment.
>
> How can we feel safe in the movement if the decisions of T&S are
> questionned by official members of our movement?
>
> Nattes à chat
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 21 juin 2019 à 01:04, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> >>
> >> It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia
> >> movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting
> someone
> >> who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had
> to
> >> intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was
> affected
> >> by his actions told "this is not your story" and "it may help you when
> you
> >> grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the
> >> feelings of others."
> >>
> >> If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why
> >> Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just reflect on
> >> this thread.
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Molly, for expressing what I was just trying to summon the
> > energy to write.
> >
> > Chris
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