On 25.06.19 23:18, Yair Rand wrote: > So far outside Wikimedia > spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki mailing > list?
Where would you have announced it, then? I asked for a movement-wide announcement place a while ago in a different context  and got no satisfactory answer; the most popular one was wikimedia-l (this list), and the only on-wiki answers were “the village pumps” (i. e. scattered) – with the caveat that you should translate your message first, which doesn’t scale well. I’m not saying the Space shouldn’t have been announced anywhere else, but it certainly seems to me that there is a need for a space like it, and in particular I don’t understand why you criticize the choice of wikimedia-l for the initial announcement when there seems to be good consensus for it being a central movement announcement and discussion platform. : https://twitter.com/LucasWerkmeistr/status/1107337860389265413 > Every single moderator is a WMF employee? There can hardly be many other moderators immediately after launch, but if you check the “trust levels and user rights” post , you’ll see that the software (Discourse) automatically promotes users based on certain criteria (similar to autoconfirmed status on-wiki), and the highest level seems in principle to be open to any user (though the criteria still have to be fleshed out, which to me seems reasonable at this stage.) : https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/trust-levels-and-user-rights-in-wikimedia-space/89 > Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication? This question is a bit too short for me to make sense of, sorry. Closed groups are not the default, so are you criticizing their mere existence? Do you want to claim that that closed groups are never, ever warranted? Because in my experience the claim at  that “[b]ecause on-wiki spaces don’t allow for [closed] collaboration, some volunteers have gravitated toward … other … platforms” is completely true. : https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/closed-groups/87 > (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?) Both WordPress and Discourse are free and open source software. Cheers, Lucas > > Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us? > > -- Yair Rand > > בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com > >: > >> Hi Maria, >> >> Thanks for this update. >> >> I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my impression >> is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the >> intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I >> think that the community would be willing to consider design improvements >> and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map >> tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features >> might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and could >> eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites. Can >> you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing design >> improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Pine >> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>