There seems to be a trend on the part of the WMF, however, both to try to control onwiki Wikimedia communities (wiki.en current case), and at the same time divert part of the communities to closed platforms under direct or indirect WMF control.
I'm also not sure anymore that Wikimedia volunteers and the WMF do share the same mission. I would like to be, but I'm not. Best, Paulo Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 26/06/2019 à(s) 00:58: > I have no comment on Wikimedia Space. IMHO it's too soon to criticize it > but I want to point out to a pattern that I have been seeing in the past > couple of months by several people in this very mailing list. > > You have been repeating the word "WMF" (four time, for four different > purposes) and treating it as a big monolith which is far from truth, WMF > consists of different teams with different focuses, priorities, goals, and > processes. > > This type of comments also increases the tension by promoting concept of > "volunteer vs. WMF". It's not a war, we have the same mission. Stop > criticizing a huge organization devoted to support volunteers (which you > can't deny all of its good deeds, like keeping servers the world-class > website running while being horribly understaffed, we have only 1% of > Google's staff) because you disagree with this project or that program. > > Criticize projects, criticize actions (which can be valid), but don't be > like "here we go again, WMF". > > I'm a volunteer at night, WMDE staff at day. Right now, it's the volunteer > hats on. > > Best > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 01:19 Yair Rand <yyairr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm getting so many red flags. > > > > Established by WMF via secret (non-transparent) process, with no > community > > involvement? Non-wiki environment, with the same scope as existing wikis? > > WMF-decided conduct policies? Every single moderator is a WMF employee? > > Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication? > > (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?) So far outside Wikimedia > > spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki > mailing > > list? > > > > Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us? > > > > -- Yair Rand > > > > בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת Pine W < > wiki.p...@gmail.com > > >: > > > > > Hi Maria, > > > > > > Thanks for this update. > > > > > > I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my > > impression > > > is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within > the > > > intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as > Wikimedia-l. I > > > think that the community would be willing to consider design > improvements > > > and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map > > > tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features > > > might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and > > could > > > eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites. > > Can > > > you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing > design > > > improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Pine > > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
