I'm pretty sure that that licensing recommendation is still
work-in-progress and the legal implications haven't been analysed yet.

I guess that assuming good faith is not your strong suit, Fae? Be part of
the solution, for once.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 11:25, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that the official announcement on Commons is worse than
> unfortunate.
>
> The announcement by the Diversity Working Group on a sub-page of the
> VP of their recommendation to permit NC and ND license restrictions on
> Commons, comes after no attempt in advance to discuss the
> recommendation or its wording with Wikimedia Commons community *on
> Commons*. It is not helped by the poster being a volunteer with barely
> any activity on Commons, so not the best person to discuss the future
> of Commons with.
> Link:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AVillage_pump%2FCopyright&type=revision&diff=361624891&oldid=361607626
>
> The justifications for the change read as unsourced and arbitrary. In
> particular there is no evidence that using Commons to host NC ND
> material that may be important to minority communities, such as
> traditional folk art, would help better to educate the public about
> those arts when the same NC restriction would halt in its
> tracks the general use of Commons by educators and universities. The
> change in commons policies would have the consequence of advice to
> educators being against using our media in lectures, study materials,
> academic papers, academic books etc.
>
> The Meta page that is linked to verges on being blatantly hostile to
> the views of the Wikimedia Commons communities
> * Q4a. Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?
> * (Answer) All change has negative connotations to some members of the
> community.
> This appears deliberately flippant and provocative. Bizarre.
>
> If the WMF sponsored recommendation is hostile up front, I do not see
> much point in the community discussing the change, it may as well just
> be mass voted down. Discussion when the team recommending the strategy
> is openly hostile to "some members of the community" on its own
> recommendations page, will only lead to more polarization of the WMF
> versus everyone else type.
>
> Fae
>
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> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
>
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 02:11, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > (Response apparently wasn't sent to list previously.)
> >
> > Yes, I think there ought to be a place to discuss the whole thing, as
> > several share a fatal flaw in that they advocate dictating to local
> > communities from above.
> >
> > Is this getting announced anywhere other than on the mailing list? There
> is
> > a proposal in these to literally undermine Wikipedia's free content
> mission
> > by allowing nonfree licenses. (
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Diversity/Recommendations/9
> )
> > Do you think, maybe, we shouldn't attempt to slip that through unnoticed
> > and uncommented?
> >
> > For example, here's the notice that was left on Commons:
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AVillage_pump&type=revision&diff=360549650&oldid=360506118
> > .
> > It's totally anodyne, and gives absolutely no indication that such
> massive
> > changes, which would entirely strip the communities of autonomy, are
> > proposed there. For example, I suspect Commons might be just a bit
> > interested to know these proposals would force them to accept nonfree
> > content. If this is in any way an honest process, make sure the
> > announcements indicate how breathtakingly broad and destructive these
> > proposals are.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:35 AM Isaac Olatunde <reachout2is...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I believe there are related discussion pages, Todd. Do you think there
> > > should have been separate pages for discussion aside the talk pages?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Isaac.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 2:29 PM Szymon Grabarczuk <
> tar.locesil...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> How about talk pages?
> > >>
> > >> Z poważaniem / Kind regards
> > >>
> > >> *Szymon Grabarczuk*
> > >> userpage: pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion
> <http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion>
> > >> <http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion>
> > >> <http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion>
> > >>
> > >> ᐧ
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 14:28, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > There does not seem to be anywhere to comment on these, which there
> > >> should
> > >> > be. I saw at least one which is highly objectionable and which I
> would
> > >> like
> > >> > to object to.
> > >> >
> > >> > Todd
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Nicole Ebber <
> nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de
> > >> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Dear fellow Wikimedians,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > They’re here! [1] We are delighted to announce the first round of
> > >> > > draft recommendations for structural change within our movement
> have
> > >> > > been published. The recommendations have been developed by the
> nine
> > >> > > Wikimedia 2030 working groups and are a key tool to help us build
> the
> > >> > > future of our movement.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Working group members have been working tirelessly for a year to
> > >> > > research the movement, analyze community input shared via
> community
> > >> > > conversations, and gain insight into external trends. A huge
> thank you
> > >> > > to each and every member for helping us reach this key milestone.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The draft recommendations are a first look at ways we can adapt
> our
> > >> > > movement’s structures to help us advance in our strategic
> direction.
> > >> > > They are the starting point for conversations about what kind of
> > >> > > future we want to create together.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The recommendations are not final. In order to get them to that
> stage,
> > >> > > your input is needed! We would like to hear from you all what
> these
> > >> > > changes would mean for you in your local or thematic context,
> what do
> > >> > > you like about them, and where you potentially see any red flags.
> And
> > >> > > of course, always critically question whether these
> recommendations
> > >> > > support the strategic direction.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > There are a few ways to do this:
> > >> > > * Read through the recommendations online and provide your input
> > >> > > directly on Meta. [2]
> > >> > > * If you will be at Wikimania, join us in the Wikimedia 2030
> space.
> > >> [3]
> > >> > > * Attend a Strategy Salon hosted by an affiliate where you live.
> [4]
> > >> > > * Reach out to a Strategy Liaison in your language to share
> feedback,
> > >> > > or lead a conversation of your own. [5]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Over the next month, working groups will take the input they
> receive
> > >> > > into the recommendations, alongside external advice and research,
> and
> > >> > > use it to refine and finalize them. Share your views, and help
> shape
> > >> > > what Wikimedia will look like in 2030 and beyond.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If you have any questions or feedback, please feel free to get in
> > >> touch.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Best wishes,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nicole
> > >> > >
> > >> > > [1]
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > >> > > [2]
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > >> > > [3] https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Wikimedia_2030
> > >> > > [4]
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Community_Conversations/Strategy_Salons
> > >> > > [5]
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
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> > >> > > Program Manager Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy
> > >> > > Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963
> Berlin
> > >> > > Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> > >> > > https://wikimedia.de
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Unsere Vision ist eine Welt, in der alle Menschen am Wissen der
> > >> > > Menschheit teilhaben, es nutzen und mehren können. Helfen Sie uns
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> > >> > >
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