All of the people you wished were there _Who was invited ? _Was it before or after the days of the conference was choosen ? _What accomodation was given with the invitation ?
Le dim. 15 sept. 2019 à 23:07, Joseph Seddon <josephsed...@gmail.com> a écrit : > Before we call out individuals for lack of attendance publicly, I think we > should remember that both volunteers and staff have lives outside of > Wikimedia that include children, families and other commitments in life. > They all come with complications. Sometimes things don't work out. There > are tens of conferences every year at various scales all over the world. > Many staff and volunteer board members will have recently just travelled to > Wikimania and a strategy summit in Tunis. Attendance at these events is > often to the detriment to people's personal lives to some degree. > > So please lets just be careful about how we talk about this and keep the > above in mind. > > Regards > Seddon > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 7:02 PM Thierry Coudray <tcoud...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > "*The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking > > contributors*". > > This harsh sentence is the translation of a statement in French, I've > just > > said in a conversation a week ago at the Francophone Wikiconvention held > > last weekend in Brussels. The statement may seem excessive, because the > > Foundation does things for the Francophone community as well as for other > > communities (and its website is fairly well translated into French). But > it > > reflected my feeling, shared by my three interlocutors, all non-French, > > facing that no Foundation high-level members were present to this > > Wikiconvention: no executive director, nor members of the Board, nor any > > level-C staff. In an another conversation, where the subject came up over > > again, someone said this absence was offensive. I do not know if it > > reflects the majority of attendees feelings but with varying degrees, I > > would said it was widely shared. > > > > In 2017, for the Francophone Wikiconvention in Strasbourg we had a very > > quick visit of Katherine Maher, in 2018, a simple video message and in > 2019 > > ... nothing. At the same time, the Francophone Wikiconvention has stepped > > up with ever more participants, always more countries represented. This > > year, it brought together more than 220 Francophones, Algerian, Belgian, > > Beninese, Cameroonian, Canadian, French, Guinean, Ivorian, Swiss and > > Tunisian contributors, and I may forget some, with varied and enriching > > conferences and meetings. A huge success, very well organized by > employees > > but also by several volunteers, who dedicated time and energy. This > > Wikiconvention and the projects and achievements submitted have shown the > > French-speaking Wikimedia community vitality, which will continue to > grow. > > FYI, French is foreseen, thanks to Africa, to be the most rapidly growing > > languages in the next twenty years and will be the mother tongue or the > > language used for communication for more than 8% of the world's > population > > in thirty years' time. But my reaction would have been the same if I had > > attended an Arabic, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili-speaking or any other > > important languages Wikiconvention. > > > > So yes, this Wikiconvention is not in English. Fortunately, not all > > Wikimedia meetings are in English. In a previous discussion on this > mailing > > list about the question of whether or not it is appropriate to continue > > Wimania, one of the participants argued that unlike other Wikimedia > > meetings, anyone could attend Wikmania. It may be obvious for those who > > have English as a mother tongue or for Northern Europeans for whom > English > > is almost a second mother tongue but this is false: English is spoken > only > > by a small minority in the world, less than one human in six. So only one > > human in six or seven could attend Wikimania or any other > english-speaking > > conferences or meetings (the case of the vast majority of global > Wikimedia > > conferences). I do not deny a common working language usefulness but a > > Wikiconvention in French, as I hope other languages ones will be more to > > come soon, allows all non-English speaking Francophones to participate in > > the Wikimedia movement and above all, help them to meet our common goal > of > > spread freeknowledge.The movement talks a lot about its efforts to > overcome > > differents gaps (gender, LGBT,...) and it's rightly pointed, these topics > > are important. But it simply forget the language gap and the almost > > exclusive use of English excludes a very large majority. > > > > So why no high level Foundation members in Brussels ? > > I was told that Valerie D'Costa, the new Chief of Community Engagement, > > should initially be there but finally told she will not. But then, no > other > > member could then replace her and why only one Foundation representant > > given the part of French language in the WM projects ? Perhaps no > > Foundation > > Board or high level member speaks French or feels she/he speaks good > > enough. > > But with more than 220 attendants at the FWC, it would have been easy to > > find volonteers with a good level of English to provide simultaneous > > translation in discussions with other non-English speaking participants > or > > to > > translate conferences.A higher-level representation would have helped the > > Foundation top level to gain more insight into Wikimedian French-speaking > > community and enabled this community to have a direct access to the > > Foundation, like in Wikimania. That would have helped bridging the gap > > between these "two worlds". Because this gap is real. In the 2011 Finance > > Meeting in Paris, during workshops where a Board member was in each > > group (Jan-Bart > > de Vreede for mine), me and another non english-speaking chapter head > > (she/he > > will recognize her/himself) had made the comment that we had the > impression > > in our relation with the Foundation of "*colliding with an Anglo-Saxon > > wall*". > > I notice that despite more Foundation staff diversity in recent years, > > French speaking organizations would probably still have the same feeling > > and clearly many French-speaking wikimedians feel that gap. > > > > It is sad that the Foundation, which is very demanding with Francophone > > chapters, does not apply itself to these demands with the Francophone > > community. FYI the next French-speaking Wikconvention will be held on WE > 31 > > october/1 November 2019 in Tunis. Save the date. > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > Thierry > > > > PS. Assas, Diane and Benoit (for those I met) don't take this personaly. > > Your presence was appreciate and you avoid the Foundation relationship > with > > French Community of a total Bérézina as we said in France. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>