Merci Delphine! Et moi je travaillais donc je n’ai pas pu faire les pre-learning days. Est-ce que ta présentation est en ligne? Bien à toi, Natacha
> Le 17 sept. 2019 à 15:14, Delphine Ménard <dmen...@wikimedia.org> a écrit : > > Hello, > > I participated in the pre-conference in Brussels this year, to which I was > invited to give a workshop about grants. I decided not to stay the whole 4 > days because of personal commitments too. > > Mais si tu as des questions sur les grants, je suis là :) > > Best, > > Delphine > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 7:04 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Thank you Katherine, >> We will be happy to see you in Tunis! >> Along with other reps of the WMF I hope, with the possibility of booking >> appointments with : >> - T&S >> - outreach >> - grant rep >> - tech rep >> Kind regards, >> >> Nattes à chat >> >>> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 23:54, Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org> a >> écrit : >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Just a quick note that I was invited to Wikiconvention on Friday 9 August >>> by Wikimedia France. On Monday 12 August (delayed by travel to >> Wikimania!) >>> I sent a note expressing my regrets, as I had a family wedding to attend >>> during that same weekend as the Convention. I also asked at the same time >>> to be notified as soon as the 2020 Tunis dates were confirmed, so that I >> or >>> other members of the Foundation's leadership team are able to plan to >>> attend (and I have already put those dates in my calendar). >>> >>> Unfortunately, as all volunteers know, sometimes personal/family >>> commitments do preclude travel. I similarly cannot attend the CEE >>> Conference due to a personal commitment this year. Sometimes there are >> also >>> scheduling conflicts: This year the German-speaking WikiCon gathering is >>> the same weekend as WikiArabia, and WikiCon North America is the same >>> weekend as WikiIndaba. This means there's always going to be a sense of >>> missing something important! >>> >>> I would also agree with what Leila shared. I was very appreciative to be >>> invited to Wikiconvention, WikiArabia, and WikiIndaba this year. But I >> want >>> to respect that not every community feels that it is the place of the >>> Foundation's ED to participate or speak at their events, and that's >> totally >>> fine. I don't think people always need to hear from me, but I am always >>> very happy to support any event in which I am invited! >>> >>> Katherine >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:25 PM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l < >>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing this Leila! This is of course a useful angle. >>>> Nattes >>>> >>>>> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 21:51, Leila Zia <le...@wikimedia.org> a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> A different angle for looking at the question of WMF staff attending >>>>> community events which may help this conversation: >>>>> >>>>> As a staff member (and acknowledging that my position is none of the >>>>> ones Thierry called out in their first email on this thread), with the >>>>> exception of a few community events, I very much hesitate to attend a >>>>> local community-run event unless the specific community, or at least >>>>> one person from that community, has specifically invited me or told me >>>>> I should consider attending. There is definitely some feeling of >>>>> fear/self-consciousness on my end about entering in a place where I >>>>> may not be welcome, where I impose my presence to others, or entering >>>>> conversations where my expertise may not be valued/considered because >>>>> I'm carrying a history which may or may not even be really mine. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sharing my feelings and the way I think about whether to attend a >>>>> local event or not here not to ask for empathy in my specific case >>>>> (which is btw, always welcomed:) but to say that there may be other >>>>> staff members like me, especially those who have joined WMF more >>>>> recently, who may be in the same boat. My recommendation would be for >>>>> the local communities to signal to the specific people which they want >>>>> in their meetings that they're welcome to attend. At least this way >>>>> you will know the person has felt invited/welcomed and will have a >>>>> higher chance to decide to attend. >>>>> >>>>> To be clear: I'm not saying WMF not attending this specific event >>>>> would have been addressed by the above. I don't know. I'm just >>>>> explaining one of the reasons this may have happened, and providing a >>>>> suggestion to address this specific reason. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Leila >>>>> -- >>>>> Leila Zia >>>>> Principal Research Scientist, Head of Research >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:20 AM Philip Kopetzky >>>>> <philip.kopet...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gereon, you clearly forget the whole Mediaviewer saga and attendance >> of >>>> WMF >>>>>> staff at the following WikiCon in Cologne ;-) But that was a long time >>>> ago >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 01:53, Gereon Kalkuhl <gkalk...@freenet.de> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since 2010 we have the WikiCon for the German language communities >> with >>>>>>> more than 300 attendants. I don't remember that the WMF has sent >> anyone >>>>>>> to these conventions. And why should they? It's all in German, the >>>>>>> communities are established and have strong chapters. I suppose the >>>> same >>>>>>> applies to the French language communites. The WMF visits emerging >>>>>>> communities, to learn about them and to help them by transfering >>>>>>> knowlege. They visit the CEE meetings, they visit Wiki Indabas. I >> don't >>>>>>> think that the WMF is neglecting big communities, it rather makes >> sense >>>>>>> that when sending employes across half the planet they check before, >>>>>>> what benefits the conferences have from their attendance and what >>>>>>> benefits their attendance bring to the particpants of the conference. >>>>>>> Cheers, Gereon >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 15.09.2019 um 20:02 schrieb Thierry Coudray: >>>>>>>> "*The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking >>>>>>> contributors*". >>>>>>>> This harsh sentence is the translation of a statement in French, >> I've >>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> said in a conversation a week ago at the Francophone Wikiconvention >>>> held >>>>>>>> last weekend in Brussels. The statement may seem excessive, because >>>> the >>>>>>>> Foundation does things for the Francophone community as well as for >>>> other >>>>>>>> communities (and its website is fairly well translated into French). >>>> But >>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> reflected my feeling, shared by my three interlocutors, all >>>> non-French, >>>>>>>> facing that no Foundation high-level members were present to this >>>>>>>> Wikiconvention: no executive director, nor members of the Board, nor >>>> any >>>>>>>> level-C staff. In an another conversation, where the subject came up >>>> over >>>>>>>> again, someone said this absence was offensive. I do not know if it >>>>>>>> reflects the majority of attendees feelings but with varying >> degrees, >>>> I >>>>>>>> would said it was widely shared. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In 2017, for the Francophone Wikiconvention in Strasbourg we had a >>>> very >>>>>>>> quick visit of Katherine Maher, in 2018, a simple video message and >> in >>>>>>> 2019 >>>>>>>> ... nothing. At the same time, the Francophone Wikiconvention has >>>> stepped >>>>>>>> up with ever more participants, always more countries represented. >>>> This >>>>>>>> year, it brought together more than 220 Francophones, Algerian, >>>> Belgian, >>>>>>>> Beninese, Cameroonian, Canadian, French, Guinean, Ivorian, Swiss and >>>>>>>> Tunisian contributors, and I may forget some, with varied and >>>> enriching >>>>>>>> conferences and meetings. A huge success, very well organized by >>>>>>> employees >>>>>>>> but also by several volunteers, who dedicated time and energy. This >>>>>>>> Wikiconvention and the projects and achievements submitted have >> shown >>>> the >>>>>>>> French-speaking Wikimedia community vitality, which will continue to >>>>>>> grow. >>>>>>>> FYI, French is foreseen, thanks to Africa, to be the most rapidly >>>> growing >>>>>>>> languages in the next twenty years and will be the mother tongue or >>>> the >>>>>>>> language used for communication for more than 8% of the world's >>>>>>> population >>>>>>>> in thirty years' time. But my reaction would have been the same if I >>>> had >>>>>>>> attended an Arabic, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili-speaking or any other >>>>>>>> important languages Wikiconvention. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So yes, this Wikiconvention is not in English. Fortunately, not all >>>>>>>> Wikimedia meetings are in English. In a previous discussion on this >>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>>> list about the question of whether or not it is appropriate to >>>> continue >>>>>>>> Wimania, one of the participants argued that unlike other Wikimedia >>>>>>>> meetings, anyone could attend Wikmania. It may be obvious for those >>>> who >>>>>>>> have English as a mother tongue or for Northern Europeans for whom >>>>>>> English >>>>>>>> is almost a second mother tongue but this is false: English is >> spoken >>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> by a small minority in the world, less than one human in six. So >> only >>>> one >>>>>>>> human in six or seven could attend Wikimania or any other >>>>>>> english-speaking >>>>>>>> conferences or meetings (the case of the vast majority of global >>>>>>> Wikimedia >>>>>>>> conferences). I do not deny a common working language usefulness >> but a >>>>>>>> Wikiconvention in French, as I hope other languages ones will be >> more >>>> to >>>>>>>> come soon, allows all non-English speaking Francophones to >>>> participate in >>>>>>>> the Wikimedia movement and above all, help them to meet our common >>>> goal >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> spread freeknowledge.The movement talks a lot about its efforts to >>>>>>> overcome >>>>>>>> differents gaps (gender, LGBT,...) and it's rightly pointed, these >>>> topics >>>>>>>> are important. But it simply forget the language gap and the almost >>>>>>>> exclusive use of English excludes a very large majority. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So why no high level Foundation members in Brussels ? >>>>>>>> I was told that Valerie D'Costa, the new Chief of Community >>>> Engagement, >>>>>>>> should initially be there but finally told she will not. But then, >> no >>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> member could then replace her and why only one Foundation >> representant >>>>>>>> given the part of French language in the WM projects ? Perhaps no >>>>>>> Foundation >>>>>>>> Board or high level member speaks French or feels she/he speaks good >>>>>>> enough. >>>>>>>> But with more than 220 attendants at the FWC, it would have been >> easy >>>> to >>>>>>>> find volonteers with a good level of English to provide simultaneous >>>>>>>> translation in discussions with other non-English speaking >>>> participants >>>>>>> or to >>>>>>>> translate conferences.A higher-level representation would have >> helped >>>> the >>>>>>>> Foundation top level to gain more insight into Wikimedian >>>> French-speaking >>>>>>>> community and enabled this community to have a direct access to the >>>>>>>> Foundation, like in Wikimania. That would have helped bridging the >> gap >>>>>>>> between these "two worlds". Because this gap is real. In the 2011 >>>> Finance >>>>>>>> Meeting in Paris, during workshops where a Board member was in each >>>>>>>> group (Jan-Bart >>>>>>>> de Vreede for mine), me and another non english-speaking chapter >> head >>>>>>> (she/he >>>>>>>> will recognize her/himself) had made the comment that we had the >>>>>>> impression >>>>>>>> in our relation with the Foundation of "*colliding with an >> Anglo-Saxon >>>>>>> wall*". >>>>>>>> I notice that despite more Foundation staff diversity in recent >> years, >>>>>>>> French speaking organizations would probably still have the same >>>> feeling >>>>>>>> and clearly many French-speaking wikimedians feel that gap. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is sad that the Foundation, which is very demanding with >>>> Francophone >>>>>>>> chapters, does not apply itself to these demands with the >> Francophone >>>>>>>> community. FYI the next French-speaking Wikconvention will be held >> on >>>> WE >>>>>>> 31 >>>>>>>> october/1 November 2019 in Tunis. 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