Just to emphasize my point: I have searched, and was still unable to find any serious consideration or response for some of the feedback that was provided all the way back in August. In the next iteration, these examples seem to have been ignored.
It may well be that this is a particularly sad example and that in other cases this was done much better, or that I happen to be looking at this one WG that didn't engage/respond/consider . However, this strengthens my feeling that it would be nice to have open and clear expectations to the community what will be done with their feedback. From Kaarels message in another thread I seem forced to conclude that no changes should be expected based on feedback (that would be the same as my very limited experience last August), but that someone will only summarize opposition in some report to the board. Is that a correct reading? This strongly informs the strategy for community members to follow: try to engage in an argument/conversation, or in activist petitions, if they would have concerns with some recommendation. Lodewijk On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 11:42 AM effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Nicole, > > Last round (or was it the round before that?) there were some disappointed > community members because their feedback did not really spark any > conversation/exchange in a timely manner. I don't want to go back to focus > on things that coulda woulda shoulda been better though. > > However, I did want to ask whether this time, you (plural) could commit to > provide timely engagement with the feedback. As I understand it, there will > be a single round of feedback (even if it is a six week round), before the > board votes on it. It would be nice if we could make that truly interactive > and most likely to result in improvements and addressing concerns, rather > than registering them. > > Would you, for example, be able to commit to a three day response time to > constructive questions? Maybe even to actively entertain constructive > improvement suggestions? > > I realize that there has been a long process within the walls of many > committees so far - and that no change will be easy to make without risking > the fabric. Your initial announcement sounds a bit like you're only > collecting 'feedback' which you will 'summarize' and report back - which > suggests that not much will happen with it unless we collectively make a > lot of noise. > > I would much prefer an active and constructive conversation with the > committee members, which is open for actual change over a set of > petitions/protests. > > Best, > Lodewijk > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:38 AM Nicole Ebber <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de> > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> We’ve got lots of news to share from movement strategy: The first version >> of the movement strategy document is almost ready, and we’ll be starting a >> new round of community conversations. >> >> == First version of the movement strategy document coming next week == >> The writers have been hard at work developing the first version of the >> movement strategy document. A key part of this has been turning the 89 >> recommendations produced by the nine working groups into one coherent set >> and consolidating the work into 13 recommendations. Alongside this, the >> document also features principles that guide the recommendations and a >> narrative of change that summarizes how the recommendations fit together >> and contribute to helping our Movement align with our strategic direction. >> >> There has been a high level of activity in the last few weeks, both by the >> writers and the community strategy liaisons, to create a set of >> recommendations that encompasses the work of the working groups and the >> broad community input received throughout the process. They’ve gone above >> and beyond what was asked of them, and I would like to thank them >> wholeheartedly for the huge effort they’ve invested into this work and for >> their inspiring dedication to making this happen. >> >> == Community conversations begin next week == >> A new round of community conversations around this document will begin >> next >> week. We encourage people from across our Movement – members of online >> communities, affiliates, boards, WMF staff – to review the recommendations >> and share what these might mean for their community, organization, or >> context. With this round, we are looking to come to a common understanding >> that the recommendations enable us to move forward in our strategic >> direction. >> >> Conversations will be held on Meta , on various language wikis, on >> social media, and on your community’s other preferred channels. They will >> run until the first week of March. After that, the core team will take one >> week to summarize all community input and reflect it back in a short, >> public report. The community will then have one week to suggest changes to >> the posted summary so that it accurately reflects their viewpoints. >> Community Strategy Liaisons will help facilitate conversations in Arabic, >> French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. There will also be >> targeted >> support for English speaking communities. Finally, Strategy Liaisons from >> affiliates and online language communities will also receive support for >> facilitating conversations on their own channels. >> >> If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. 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