Training sets already contain images from Commons, so yes, I believe
the implications should be considered.

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 4:46 PM Newyorkbrad <newyorkb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This whole subject raises interesting and important legal and ethical
> issues, but are there any direct implications at this time for
> Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects?
>
> Newyorkbrad/IBM
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 19, 2020, Ryan Merkley <rmerk...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > I don't believe it implies that. As with many things legal, the answer re:
> > derivatives is likely "it depends".
> >
> > R.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 10:30 PM Benjamin Ikuta <benjaminik...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for that.
> > >
> > > Pardon me if I've missed something, but that seems to imply, but not
> > > directly state, that AI training is a derivative work; could you clarify
> > > that?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 18, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Ryan Merkley <rmerk...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > [My comments are my own, and don’t reflect or suggest any official
> > > position from WMF]
> > > >
> > > > The NBC story linked below come out about a year ago. Around the same
> > > time, when I was CEO at Creative Commons, we published a statement and
> > > updated FAQs that attempted to respond to questions being asked about
> > > permitted uses and attribution related to the licenses.
> > > >
> > > > CC’s statement (March 2019) is here:
> > > https://creativecommons.org/2019/03/13/statement-on-
> > shared-images-in-facial-recognition-ai/
> > > <
> > > https://creativecommons.org/2019/03/13/statement-on-
> > shared-images-in-facial-recognition-ai/
> > > >
> > > > The FAQs are here:
> > > https://creativecommons.org/faq/#artificial-intelligence-and-cc-licenses
> > <
> > > https://creativecommons.org/faq/#artificial-intelligence-and-cc-licenses
> > >
> > > >
> > > > r.
> > > >
> > > > _____________________________
> > > >
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> > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >> On Jan 18, 2020, at 2:14 PM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> There are several reports of face recognition going mainstream, often
> > > >> in less than optimum circumstances, and often violating copyright and
> > > >> licenses
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/technology/clearview-
> > privacy-facial-recognition.html
> > > >>
> > > https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/facial-recognition-s-
> > dirty-little-secret-millions-online-photos-scraped-n981921
> > > >> https://www.ibm.com/blogs/research/2019/01/diversity-in-faces/
> > > >>
> > > >> In my opinion building a model for face recognition is a derived work,
> > > >> and as such must credit the photographers. That pose a real problem
> > > >> when the photographers counts in the millions and billions. Even a 1px
> > > >> fine print would be troublesome!
> > > >>
> > > >> What is the official stance on this? Is it a copyright infringement or
> > > >> not, does the license(s) cover the case or not?
> > > >>
> > > >> John Erling Blad
> > > >> /jeblad
> > > >>
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