That's...really not how this works. We don't say "It's hard to gain
consensus, so screw it, we're going ahead anyway." If you can't gain
consensus for what you're doing, then you should stop doing it. Yes,
consensus for major changes is hard. That doesn't mean it is not required
or should be ignored.


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 5:48 PM Leila Zia <> wrote:

> [writing at my personal capacity.]
> Hi Pine,
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:20 PM Pine W <> wrote:
> >
> > * I realize that a lot of time and money has been spent in the strategy
> > process to this point. I hope that there will be consensus on at least
> some
> > of the recommendations.
> True consensus based decision making for this stage, at least given
> the technologies available to us at the moment, is not possible, imho.
> One of the immediate challenges we will face is that the time
> available to folks to participate is varying across people
> significantly. We also have languages as the barriers for people to
> talk directly with each other across languages. At best you can expect
> heavy engagement early on (within different communities) and then
> people gradually disengaging as conversations become lengthy and
> sometimes even harsh or toxic. You may end up with some version of
> consensus at the end (even that is hard as you have to aggregate
> results across many communities and what if one doesn't agree with
> another), but that will be the consensus of those who stayed around
> and that's not a good place to be when you want to finalize the
> recommendations. That makes me think that the approach through which
> one entity accepts responsibility and make a decision while taking
> into account the conversations and feedback that will come in in the
> following weeks may be a better approach.
> (Disclaimer: The process is very complex and I don't claim to know
> what the right approach is.)
> Best,
> Leila
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