I agree. youtube  (+zoom) and chat worked very well. I still had problem follow all that being said, and would like the "black" notice to have been used more and show (just a few seconds) the question being discussed. And besides applauds for Maggie being straight forward, I also want to applaud (elene?) for coordinating the questions, and forwarding her own - how does it fell for you to be in such a hot spot as T&S has become .

I see this as best practice and hope it will be used for many more info/discussion meetups.

Anders

Den 2020-06-05 kl. 09:48, skrev Ciell Wikipedia:
Hi Pine,

1) For me, as non-native speaker, it really helps to see someone speak
while I am hearing them. I applaud Maggie for doing this on screen. There
is no need for recording, but the streaming really adds to my understanding
of what is being said.

2) Though I realise that it may be a case that is still really clear to
you, if she was not the person in charge at the time (Maggie was on leave
as she pointed out) and it's been 11 months, it is not strange that she
cannot recall all the details. I think her answer would have been more
specific when she would have had the time to research the question.
And with the new UCoC, an Ombudsman/audit would also be introduced for the
T&S cases.  Imho this would be a good way to learn and develop from. For
staff, and for all Wikimedia users involved.

I am really interested in the "outside review for English administrators
and functionaries". Could you please share with me (on or off list) a link
to how that is formed, implemented and carried out?

Ciell
(she/her)


Op vr 5 jun. 2020 09:30 schreef Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:

Agreed that office hours are a nice idea, although

1. For privacy reasons,I don't think that they need to be on video.
Sue had them on IRC. In the Wikimedia Cafe several of us use audio
only.

2. I'm digesting what Maggie said about the incidents of last July.
I'm not sure that the version of events that was communicated to her
captures how I would describe the multiple bad decisions that
happened, and I'm not inclined to believe that the problems can be
summed up as poor communications. I don't mean to put words in
Maggie's mouth, and I don't think that she was trying to provide a
comprehensive view of her briefing, but I also have concerns regarding
what I heard in her summary, and I would encourage Maggie to probe
extensively into what happened while she was on leave.

I don't know what all was going on inside of WMF, but I would have
wanted an outsider -- that is, not someone inside of WMF -- to review
the actions of the staff, similar to how police departments are
sometimes reviewed by outside agencies after high profile incidents,
and I would want the report from that review to be public. Given my
perspective on what happened, I think that at least one WMF staff
person probably should have been demoted or fired, and perhaps more
than one, up to and including Katherine. However, I don't have enough
information to decide what accountability measures should have been
taken. I would have more faith in the integrity of WMF if there had
been an outside review as I describe here, including public
accountability for the actions of individual staff, much as we do on
English Wikipedia for administrators and functionaries.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:30 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
<wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Yes thank you very much. I really liked the sincerity and the straight
to the point amswers. It feels great to be listened at and given sincere
answers.
Make this call a best practice, it rocked.

Warm regards,

Nattes à chat

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 4 juin 2020 à 22:16, Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> a écrit :

True, (because of connectivity issues I was disconnected for some
time).
Thanks Maggie for answering the questions and clarifying things. All
the
best and good wishes.

Thanks
Tito Dutta
Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
remind
me over email or phone call.


On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 01:17, Aron Manning <aronmanni...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thank you, Maggie, Elena and Nick for this meeting!

The event was very well organized on the first try, focused and
informative.
Special thanks to Maggie for tirelessly answering all the questions
and
giving insight to the wide spectrum of challenges.

It was great to hear that transparency will be an important part of
the
processes to be developed and that the communities will be involved in
working out the details. I think this is going in the right direction
to
establish trust and cooperation with the communities and a mutually
agreeable outcome.

Thank you to all participants and I hope there will be more meetings
as
this project progresses!


Aron


On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 23:24, Maggie Dennis <mden...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
We will post notes from the meeting, with the identity of
question-askers
anonymized, afterward. Questions can be submitted on Telegram [1],
on IRC
[2] or in the YouTube Chat or by email in advance to
answ...@wikimedia.org
(To make sure they are presented during this meeting, please use
“Trust &
Safety” as the subject line.)


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