Paul, From everything I read in discussions and emails, I believe this distinction between community and movement, makes sense, and... maybe hasn't been raised before? If it has been, please excuse me, and point me where :]. I do not know the practical applications that can derive from it, but I think it adds, at least, a constructive layer for discussion. In this sense, I consider this observation somewhat refreshing.
Cheers! On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:02 AM Paul J. Weiss <pjwe...@uw.edu> wrote: > [From my comments in the rebranding survey] > > "Movement" > > Please stop calling us a "movement". I am an active Wikipedia contributor, > but I do not feel part of a movement. Know that I feel excluded when we are > referred to as a movement. I would guess that most Wikimedians do not > consider themselves part of a movement. I feel that I am part of the > Wikimedia _community_. > > Note that in the English Wikipedia the title of the relevant article is > indeed "Wikipedia community", _not_ "Wikipedia movement" (which is a > redirect). In fact, the word "movement" does not appear in the main text of > the article at all. "Wikimedia movement" is the title of its article, but > it is described as "the global community of contributors to Wikimedia > Foundation projects". A community of contributors is not the same thing as > a movement. I would say that none of the definitions given in the > Definitions section of the Social movement article apply to us. > > One significant problem to using "movement" is that some, including the > WMF, exploit the connotations of the word towards social justice, or a > "greater good", as a rationalization for behaviors that a community might > not support (and in many cases our community has indeed opposed WMF's > behavior). Another is the implication that there is basically a core set of > beliefs and priorities that all those involved support. This is clearly not > the case in the Wikimedia community. I also think there is an assumption > that in a movement, there are institutions that those in the movement > explicitly or implicitly authorize to speak for them. Again, clearly this > is not the case in the Wikimedia community overall. > > Paul Weiss > User:Libcub > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Eduardo Testart (56)(98) 293 5278 Móvil _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>