I agree, the lack of transparency is quite concerning, as is the use of AWS. 

I sure hope we're not going to be producing closed source code! 



On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Joseph for the links. It's more clear now.
> 
> I think I need to clarify something: I'm not against asking the big corps
> to pay. If they are using a significant amount of our computational
> resources (=donors money) to make even more money, they should pay. And
> thank you for improving the movement's financial security. I don't oppose
> the general idea.
> 
> That being said, what worries me are the details:
> * WMF is creating a company (LLC) and contracts that company, this means
> less transparency. This is the first time I think in the history of the
> foundation AFAIK that WMF is creating a company for legal reasons (I'm
> sorry if I missed anything).
> * That company is contracting another company for engineering work (even
> less transparency). We have lots of engineering resources at WMF.
> * As the result, for the first time, code produced by donors money is
> closed source and inaccessible to public (or at least I couldn't find the
> code linked anywhere)
> * I find it ethically wrong to use AWS, even if you can't host it in WMF
> for legal reasons, why not another cloud provider.
> * There wasn't a period for giving feedback for example about the choice of
> cloud provider or anything, suddenly it came out ready. The rumors about it
> have been going around for months.
> * This has not been communicated properly to the community, I find this
> lack of communication and transparency concerning and insulting.
> 
> Hope what I'm saying here makes sense.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 7:02 PM Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I tend to agree with this. I'm one of the first to criticize WMF when they
>> deserve it (I wish they didn't as often!), but I see nothing wrong with
>> consumers of huge amounts of data being asked to chip in to cover the costs
>> of providing it. That is, of course, provided that there is never any fee
>> for use of the API for users of data in regular amounts, but every plan
>> I've seen thus far accommodates that.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 7:15 AM Ad Huikeshoven <a...@huikeshoven.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Great news: the WMF is going to charge the tech giants for using the API
>>> millions of times each day. Nothing in the free licenses we use obligate
>> us
>>> (that is we in our movement) to provide an API for free as in beer. It is
>>> part of KAAS: Knowledge As A Service, part of the strategic direction
>>> chosen in 2017.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your understanding,
>>> 
>>> Ad Huikeshoven
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 8:33 PM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by
>>> someone
>>>> from WMF starting with:
>>>> "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except
>>> for
>>>> wikidata as part of the paid API project."
>>>> 
>>>> I have so many questions:
>>>> - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of
>>> our
>>>> API? Now are we selling our dumps?
>>>> - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the
>>> dark?
>>>> - Does the board know and approve it?
>>>> - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
>>>> transparency?
>>>> - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
>>>> bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
>>>> feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
>>>> Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this
>>> on
>>>> Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
>>>> - Why is the community not consulted about this?
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for
>>> my
>>>> ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
>>>> revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the
>>> community
>>>> wouldn't be too bad.
>>>> 
>>>> [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
>>>> [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> --
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