Hey all,

Given that this project is a direct result of the recommendations from the
strategy process the biggest questions are I feel mainly about how we go
about this. There are really bad ways this project could be approached and
then there are ways which are aligned with our movement and we are most
definitely approaching this project via the latter.

Regarding the hosting on AWS, when the project started it wasn't clear to
what extent we would be able to utilise Wikimedia Cloud Services in short
and long term for this specific project and that remains true for a number
of reasons. This has brought a benefit as it means we have been highly
conservative in our development approach. In the HTML dump work ongoing, we
are utilising purely public endpoints and we have purposefully
containerized the entire application in docker to allow flexibility of
infrastructure as well as remove any dependencies to AWS. This was
identified as a requirement pretty early on so things have been designed in
a way to avoid obvious pitfalls like becoming dependent on RDS or S3 and
aim to make the tools we build platform agnostic and fully open source.

We will be beginning a regular release of the code base soon that will
hopefully be aligned with the end of sprints. Given that there is nothing
preventing this from also existing on Wikimedia Cloud Services or any other
cloud infrastructure. In the long term our goal is to try and make anything
we build usable by anyone.

Regards
Seddon

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:03 PM Victoria Coleman <
vstavridoucole...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rupert,
>
> My comment below referred to the point Kunal made about hosting should the
> movement decide (and it is a movement decision in my view) to go forward
> with a paid API. There is a healthy debate as you point out about the
> wisdom or otherwise of doing so. But should a decision be made to go
> forward, I believe that the hosting can be done on WMF clusters run by the
> Cloud Services team to avoid putting our content on 3rd party commercial
> services. While I was on staff, and I don’t think this has changed since my
> departure, the preference was to maintain control of content - including
> accessing it  - internally to protect movement privacy. If I had a penny
> for every time I got an offer of “free” hosting from AWS and others, my
> penny jar would be overflowing!
>
> All the best,
>
> Victoria
>
> > On Jul 22, 2020, at 12:50 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > victoria, discussions to monetize the wikipedia content in one or the
> other
> > way are as old as wikipedia. some people say "why should i continue
> editing
> > and supporting wikipedia in my free time, or donate money, attracted by
> the
> > vision to make it available to all, without condition, when WMF starts
> > selling parts of it?" while the others feel that wikipedia relying on
> > donations only keeps them at a shoestring budget, which meanwhile grew to
> > 100 million USD a year. up to now the discussion always ended with a
> > similar result: wikipedia would loose more than it would gain, and the
> > initiative stopped. why this time it would be different? even more so as
> > this API idea was already there when sue gardner joined 10 or more years
> > ago. but maybe it becomes a good idea over time if it is brought up often
> > enough and the environment changes. in 20 years or so, when the wikipedia
> > content is auto-generated, auto-translated and WMF has no employees any
> > more and no need of voluntary work this for sure would work.
> >
> > rupert
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:19 PM Victoria Coleman <
> > vstavridoucole...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> +1 Kunal! The WMF Cloud Services team can totally provide the needed
> >> support. The Foundation would have to invest them to build up the team
> >> which is over stretched but that should easily pay for itself as revenue
> >> starts flowing in from the paid API.
> >>
> >> Victoria
> >>
> >>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Kunal Mehta <lego...@member.fsf.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On 2020-07-09 13:15, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote:
> >>>> Which cloud provider would you recommend?
> >>>
> >>> Wikimedia Cloud Services, which incidentally, has the fastest network
> >>> connection to Wikimedia sites by virtue of it being hosted *inside* the
> >>> cluster.
> >>>
> >>> -- Legoktm
> >>>
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