Hi Victoria,

I hope you're doing well. Please see below.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM Victoria Coleman
<vstavridoucole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The WMF Cloud Services team can totally provide the needed support. The 
> Foundation would have to invest them to build up the team which is over 
> stretched but that should easily pay for itself as revenue starts flowing in 
> from the paid API.

You have worked in WMF and you are more deeply familiar with the
internal workings of WMF, however, for the sake of others who read
your comments above, I'd like to share some thoughts:

* I have concerns about specific teams in WMF being volunteered on a
public list for a project or work. As you know, adding a project to a
team's set of responsibilities is not just about making a financial
investment. Teams usually have plans for what they want to do over the
coming 1-2 years and expanding the scope of their work or the
diversity of what they need to manage can have major implications for
the teams.

Instead, I encourage us to ask the question "what does it take to be
able to do x in our own infrastructure?" when we know this is the kind
of experiment that has worked.

* As has been shared before, the project is at the "experiment" level.
When we don't know if an idea even works or not, we want to be mindful
of our time investments. I personally want to be able to trust the
team who is responsible for the project in assessing where the best
place to invest their time is as they have better visibility into the
work and the resources that are available to them.

* You said "The Foundation would have to invest them to build up the
team [...]". I want to be very explicit: the problem of where to
invest the WMF resources is a very very complex problem. There are
many important projects and ideas in WMF, all potentially with big
impact, and there are, as you had more visibility into during your
tenure, critical efforts that can benefit from much more investments.
The c-team has a hard job each time they make resourcing decisions:
they can't think about one project or one team only. They need to take
into account the portfolio of projects and needs the WMF has and
figure out where to invest. You and I may or may not agree with their
decisions, however, I'd caution us from assuming that this is the kind
of problem that we can easily solve once we're in their shoes.

Best,
Leila

--
Leila Zia
Head of Research
Wikimedia Foundation

> Victoria
>
> > On Jul 9, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Kunal Mehta <lego...@member.fsf.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2020-07-09 13:15, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote:
> >> Which cloud provider would you recommend?
> >
> > Wikimedia Cloud Services, which incidentally, has the fastest network
> > connection to Wikimedia sites by virtue of it being hosted *inside* the
> > cluster.
> >
> > -- Legoktm
> >
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